[cruiserman]

Thanks for the clarification. Otherwise I'd have to go back to Scottsdale and sue their a$$e$ for my red light ticket :).

[Bonaparte]

LOL! Personally, I like the Italian system. If a cop sees you going through a red light and he can also see that there is no approaching cross-traffic, he concludes that the signal is "stupido" and he leaves you alone. The same reasoning is applied to pedestrians. Why should a man have to stand there like a piece of statuary when no traffic is coming and life is so short?