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Klamath Falls Research Thread (Thread 3)
Me | Sept. 4, 2001 | Bump in the night

Posted on 09/04/2001 11:31:59 PM PDT by Bump in the night

Thread 1

Thread 2

I know a lot of us are doing a lot of research regarding Klamath Falls. So I'm starting this thread for posting any research data that we think is applicable to the crisis in Klamath Falls. I know there are bits and pieces all over FR and the various Klamath threads. But this will help get all the important info into one location.


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To: Alamo-Girl
breach of fiduciary duty

That is exactly what was done by the people that allowed a law/Act to be written that is powered by treaties. These treaties were originally with foreign interests or after the Act was created, it made treaties with foreign interests.

Are other laws written like this so that foreign interests can pull the control of America into their hands?

21 posted on 09/05/2001 9:59:59 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
You're quite welcome!
22 posted on 09/05/2001 10:02:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ClancyJ
I would imagine there are ... Yellow Rose of Texas has a lot of research on the environmental aspects - which are door openers to other international issues, sustainable growth, etc.
23 posted on 09/05/2001 10:04:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: center fix?
test fix
24 posted on 09/05/2001 10:27:54 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: center fix?
test 2
25 posted on 09/05/2001 10:29:53 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: center fix?
test 3
26 posted on 09/05/2001 10:31:44 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: center fix?
test 4
27 posted on 09/05/2001 10:33:06 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Ben Ficklin, some new and interesting ESA data on this new thread
ping
28 posted on 09/05/2001 10:41:10 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
New sub-website added to our Klamath Basin Crisis website to provide information on the mid-Klamath River Crisis. (Probable state listing of the coho scheduled next April could substantially curtail continued use of irrigation water on the Scott and Shasta Rivers.

(Coupled with this year's loss of water to the Klamath Basin community of Tulelake, this will just about complete the distruction of agriculture in the 6,600 sq. miles of Siskiyou County, California. The listing of the northern spotted owland marbled murrelet and federal coho listings have already curtailed most of the timber industry in the north 3/4 of the county.)

Websites combined:

Klamath Basin:

mid-Klamath River:

29 posted on 09/05/2001 11:12:20 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Most if not all of Title 42 of the USC is based on treaty law and therefore not binding. I'll see if I can find links.
30 posted on 09/06/2001 5:08:11 AM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Bump in the night
Treaties: A Source for Federal Municipal Power
31 posted on 09/06/2001 9:26:07 AM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Bump in the night
Klamath Valley Farm Land Buyout - The Big Business behind the ONRC and Andy Kerr
Just in case it hasn't been added yet...
32 posted on 09/06/2001 3:57:16 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: All
BTTT
33 posted on 09/06/2001 6:05:12 PM PDT by madfly
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To: AuntB, forester, Carry_Okie
Here is my latest research documenting that inland coho in the Klamath system are not of native origin and have never been a robust population. http://www.snowcrest.net/siskfarm/midklamnat.html
34 posted on 09/07/2001 3:24:03 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: nunya bidness,To All
May God Bless each and everyone of you and your families
for your hard work and dedication to this just cause.

It is an honor to "serve" our great nation with all of you.
35 posted on 09/07/2001 3:24:14 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: ClancyJ
You guys are barking up the wrong tree. There is no reforming the ESA without throwing out the Convention on Nature Protection. The treaty authority of the ESA is what give it its power. Please go back and read all of Thread 2 #61,62, &87.
36 posted on 09/07/2001 8:19:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: marsh2
You'll want to read a similar proof in my book. Archaeological evidence from shell middens was the key confirmation in the morphological and physiological case for the at least marginal and probably altogether exotic status of coho in our area. No coho scales or bones. FReepmail me for the name of the icthyological archaeologist who has done that work.
37 posted on 09/07/2001 8:23:49 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Issaquahking
New Yawwwk BTT
38 posted on 09/07/2001 8:27:27 AM PDT by Neets
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub, Yellow Rose of Texas, Alamo_Girl, dandelion
There has been much talk of suing the enviro groups for RICO, damages, etc. I recall an Exec. Order from 1995 (?96)of Bubba's that exempts NGO's, environmental organizations from any damages because of their input or recommendations. I CAN'T find it. Here's the EO site, and I can't get it opened to read the orders...maybe you can check it out. We're going on my memory here, but the wording is there, just can't remember if it applies only to international NGO's...it was about international enviro agreements, I believe. I hate to see a bunch of people go from this angle only to find out the enviro groups have been exempted. I do remember it is in the 12000 range of orders. http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/eosub_cl.html

Here is some of the listings of EO's under "Environment".

Environment

Border Environment Cooperation Commission: EO 12904; EO 12916

Coral reef protection: EO 13089; EO 13178; EO 13196

Energy efficiency at Federal facilities: EO 12845; EO 12902

Environmental Cooperation, Commission for: EO 12904

Environmental Cooperation, North American Agreement on: EO 12915(NOTE: I think this is the ONE!!)

Environmental Justice, Interagency Working Group on: EO 12898

Environmental justice in minority and low-income populations: EO 12898(THIS would also be interesting!!)

Federal programs; adverse effects on minority and low-income populations: EO 12948(AND THIS!)

Heritage Rivers, American; initiative: EO 13093; EO 13061

Invasive species: EO 13112

Lake Tahoe ecosystem: EO 13057

Leadership in protection by Federal agencies: EO 13148

Marine protected areas: EO 13158

Migratory bird protection: EO 13186

Paper, recycled content; Federal standards: EO 12995

Plants; conservation and management: EO 12996

Protection through Government workplace practices: EO 13101; EO 13123 Recreational fisheries: EO 12962

Risks to children: EO 13045

Toxic chemical release; community right-to-know: EO 12969

Trade agreements; environmental review: EO 13141

Water conservation at Federal facilities: EO 12902

Wildlife Refuge System; management: EO 12996

Environmental Cooperation, Commission for: EO 12904

Environmental Cooperation, North American Agreement on: EO 12915(May be this one!!!)

Environmental Executive, Federal: EO 12873

Environmental Justice, Interagency Working Group on: EO 12898

Environmental Quality, President's Commission on: EO 12852

Environmental Risks and Safety Risks to Children, Task Force on: EO 13045

39 posted on 09/07/2001 11:34:24 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas, dandelion, 68-69GulfofTonkinYatchClub
I think this is the one. I'm sorry to bail right now..have to go to work!! This may be nothing, but these EO's seem to be law! And are the Sierra Club etc, part of this "international union??

EXECUTIVE EO 12986 ORDER Effective Date January 11, 1996

_________________________________________________________________ Responsible Office: G Subject: INTERNATIONAL UNION FOR CONSERVATION OF NATURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES

TEXT By virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 1 and 14 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288 et seq., as amended by section 426 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, fiscal years 1994 and 1995, Public Law 103-236), I hereby extend to the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural resources the privileges and immunities that provide or pertain to immunity from suit. To this effect, the following sections of the International Organizations Immunities Act shall not apply to the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources:

--Section 2(b), 22 U.S.C. 288a(b), that provides international organizations and their property and assets with the same immunity from suit and judicial process as is enjoyed by foreign governments.

--Section 2(c), 22 U.S.C. 288a(c), that provides that the property and assets of international organizations shall be immune from search and confiscation and that their archives shall be inviolable.

--Section 7(b), 22 U.S.C. 288d(b), that provides the representatives of foreign governments in or to international organizations and the officers and employees of such organizations with immunity form suit and legal process relating to acts performed by them in their official capacity and falling within their functions. /s/William J. Clinton THE WHITE HOUSE January 18, 1996.

40 posted on 09/07/2001 12:07:31 PM PDT by AuntB
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