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Posted on 05/04/2026 9:10:10 AM PDT by lasereye
I’m not normally a fan of the New York Times. But I find myself being amazed by Lulu Garcia-Navarro, who yesterday published an exhausting, two-hour long interview with Tucker Carlson. She’s the co-host of a Times’ column called “The Interview.”
IMHO, her interview with Tucker Carlson was disturbingly revealing.
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Put together, it is a searing indictment of a man who presumably is super-intelligent and who has gone down the rabbit hole of delusion and hate. And I take it personally, as he claims the land of Israel, the land of my ancestors, doesn’t have a right to exist.
But there’s more. He now seems to be tilting toward a progressive critique of our economy, even praising Occupy Wall Street. He says that violent revolution could be just around the corner and he has many Leftwing friends who could lead it. He further calls for a new political party and says he would heartedly support it.
Astonishingly, he also takes the side of the Iranian Mullahs. Not once does he acknowledge that the Mullahs murdered 45,000 men, women and children earlier this year as widespread civic demonstrations erupted. He further claims Iran isn’t a military power. Tell that to the Gulf States.
And he never once cites the October 7 massacre and men, women and children along with mass rape. But instead, he denounces Israel’s war in Gaza in which he claims the Palestinians there “committed no crime.”
Tucker knows what he’s saying. He’s brilliant. But clearly he has become a man without a moral compass.
As my readers know, I once was a die-hard Leftist, then turned to a life-long career in journalism including as the Washington producer for ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
Decades later I landed as the senior investigative reporter for the Daily Caller News Foundation. The foundation was established and led by none other than Tucker Carlson. I spent a good deal of time with Tucker. So…I thought I knew him.
But not now.
The two interviews by Garcia-Navarro lasted for two hours. It’s pretty exhausting experience.
So to make things a bit digestible, below are some excerpts.
Then, if you have the stamina, I post about a third of Garcia-Navarro’s questions and answers. Some of the Q&A has a summary by me of what Tucker says. Those listed as Q&A are actual questions submitted by the interviewee.
Warning: it’s still a lot of material.
Here are a few highlights from my perspective:
About Israel’s right to exist. Tucker: “Here’s a leader who’s mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist?” Tucker tells the interviewer: “I actually did not say, “Could this be the Antichrist?” I don’t know where that comes from, but I know that those words never left my lips”. When the Times shows him a video, he reversed himself, and says, “Man, then my apologies to you, if there’s a video of me saying that.”
About Israel’s right to exist. Tucker: “I’ve been told for many years that Israel has a unique right globally to exist. Where does that right emanate from, who granted that right, and on what grounds? And they can’t answer the questions, and they don’t want to have the conversation.”
Trump is a slave to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Tucker: “Trump refused to even criticize Netanyahu in public. Are you joking? That’s slavery. That is total control of one man by another. And that’s between Trump and Bibi and God, as far as I’m concerned…And he is looking out for Israel first. That’s outrageous.”
The murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson and the legitimate case for ‘revolution’ in America. Tucker: “I’m against all murder, just to be totally clear. I was surprised but not really shocked by the positive reaction. All these normal-looking people on the internet are like, ‘I am glad they killed him.’ They don’t even know his name. That reflects this revolutionary frustration. And I do think it’s revolutionary.”
His support for the possibility of revolution, including a violent revolution based on class-based grievances. “Meanwhile, there are all these people making billions on clearly fraudulent enterprises. Crypto-related enterprises and other enterprises that are not adding to the sum total of prosperity in this country and not making the country better. So that’s where I think the radicalism is going to start…It’s a future in which people are legitimately revolutionary, maybe even violent, on the basis of thwarted economic opportunity.”
Unrest among the under 30 generation and how the Boomer generation have ripped them off. (Tucker is age 57) “I think right and left agree on this, under 30, is that young people have been shafted by older people, particularly by the baby boomers, people born between ’46 and ’64. And I think they’re right about that. I do think that’s the most selfish generation, most loathsome, mediocre generation this country ever produced. … Their behavior has been shameful and selfish. …”
As for who is more “repulsive,” far-right Nick Fuentes or U.S. Senator Ted Cruz? “Ted Cruz! Ted Cruz is a sitting U.S. senator who has called for the killing of people who did nothing wrong, whole populations, who advocated for this war. Nick Fuentes is a kid. He’s like 26 or 27… Ted Cruz…he’s just so repulsive. I couldn’t control myself. And I was a jerk, and I tried to apologize. But if you had to sit across from Ted Cruz — it’s just there’s something about him. It’s just repulsive, disgusting.”
Finally, Tucker supports the creation of a new political party and he could support it. “There should be a party that is speaking for most people. Am I going to build it? Absolutely not. I’m not a politician, but I would support it.”
Could it be someone on the Left? “It could be anybody. I’m not even sure what ‘the left’ means at this point. I have some very good friends on the left. They’re not conventional West Side liberals… But I have some sincere left-wing friends who have a critique of economics and foreign policy that I agree with completely, or substantially agree with, for sure.”
Ok, so here are longer excerpts from the interview:
Q. We began this conversation by discussing your rupture with President Trump. “I wouldn’t characterize it as a “rupture” with Trump. He betrayed his promises to me and everybody else, and I acknowledged that in public. So it doesn’t make me the person who breached the contract. He’s the one who breached the contract.”
Tucker’s opposition to Iranian regime change. “So, when it became clear in June that we were starting down this road toward a regime change with Iran, I was baffled. I was very upset…. He (President Trump) embarked on this effort to take out Iran’s nuclear program, which is really just the opening salvo in a regime-change effort. He knew that. I told him that… and then it became clear in January that we were moving toward this thing that we’re in now, and I was absolutely panicked about it.”
Iran is not a military power: “I would say: Here are the potential effects of this, the geography of Iran being the most important fact of Iran. Iran is not a military power, it’s an economic power.”
The war only comes from outside ‘donor pressure’: ”My strong impression, and I could be wrong because I don’t work there, is that no one in the building was pushing for this, at least overtly. That all the pressure was coming from outside — constant calls from donors and people with influence over the president. Rupert Murdoch, Miriam Adelson, etc., and then a small constellation of, I guess they’d be called influencers, beginning with Mark Levin, but there were others, Sean Hannity, pushing the president to do this and telling him that you will be a figure out of history, you will save and redeem Israel or something.”
Q. I just want you to be explicit. Trump is being held hostage by whom? “By Benjamin Netanyahu and by his many advocates in the United States. And we know that not simply because Trump started the war on Feb. 28, but because he couldn’t get out of it.”
Trump is a ‘slave’ to Israeli PM Netanyahu: “So again, it’s not an attack on Israel. It’s an attack on American leadership for not constraining its partner in a way that helps the United States. Trump said, I want a negotiated settlement. Israel stopped the settlement. Trump refused to even criticize Netanyahu in public. Are you joking? That’s slavery. That is total control of one man by another. And that’s between Trump and Bibi and God, as far as I’m concerned…And he is looking out for Israel first. That’s outrageous. And no amount of ‘Oh, you’re an antisemite’ — which I’m not, and I’m never going to be — is going to stop me from noting that that’s outrageous. It is outrageous…I would also note that this is not a defense of Trump. Hardly. This is the single most foolish thing any American president has ever done, in my opinion.”
Trump’s Easter Day Statement About “Hell” for Iranian regime if it didn’t open the Straits of Hormuz: “But that was really just an emotional reaction to the experience of waking up on Easter Sunday, the holiest day on the Christian calendar, and a day of joy and hope, literally the resurrection of Jesus, and seeing Donald Trump using profanity, threatening to murder civilians. I mean, that’s a crime. That’s a moral crime. So to brag about that, and then to mock Islam?”
Q. You saw Israel as pure evil? “I think what we’re seeing is evil. Are you allowed to kill people who’ve committed no crime? No. Super simple. You’re not allowed to do that. Under no moral standard is that allowable. All of a sudden it’s allowable in Gaza.”
Q. “Your Easter episode was titled, in part, ‘A Warning to Christians Everywhere.’ My interpretation was that you were warning other Christians not to follow a false prophet?” “Yes, that’s exactly what I’m warning.”
Q. That false prophet being President Trump? “Yes, and Netanyahu. There are a lot of evangelical Christians who are convinced that God wants you to support Netanyahu, which I find incomprehensible.”
Q. You did have this contentious interview with Huckabee — he’s the ambassador to Israel — where you talked to him about Christian Zionism for quite some time. And in that interview, you were pressing him on if the modern state of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people today has legal or biblical legitimacy. You were questioning him on this idea, and you went round and round on this for quite some time. And I was just wondering what you were trying to get at there. “What I’m objecting to is the claim that it’s God’s will and that Israel, because of this, has the unique right to exist. Where does that right come from? Well, the right comes from the Bible. OK. Well, I’m not a Bible scholar, but I’ve certainly read it a lot. And I said to him, Where are the borders? Because my read of Genesis is that’s a big hunk of land. That’s the Middle East. Does Israel have a right? Because you’re referring to this text as the basis of the right to have that land. And he said, ‘Fine with me.’”
Q. Why, though, were you so interested in those questions? “Because we’re now in a war, which is in the process of destroying the United States economy and getting Americans killed, because Israel pushed the United States president, who caved. And I’m not giving him a pass, but that’s just a fact. That’s what happened. Israel has that power in our Congress, not because we have so many Jews — I don’t know how many Jews live in the United States, fewer than 10 million, I think — but because we have tens of millions of evangelical Christians who unquestioningly support Israel because they believe it’s their theological duty to do so.”
Q. Why do you think you get tagged so often with antisemitism? “I’m not an antisemite and I think that’s obvious…. I just don’t want the United States to be implicated in the crimes of other nations, and I’m not intimidated….
Attack on Boomers (Tucker is 57): “I think right and left agree on this, under 30, is that young people have been shafted by older people, particularly by the baby boomers, people born between ’46 and ’64. And I think they’re right about that. I do think that’s the most selfish generation, most loathsome, mediocre generation this country ever produced. … Their behavior has been shameful and selfish. … I hear people say things like “Only baby boomers would have a second home in Isle of Palms, S.C., but not help their kids buy homes.” That’s what I hear. I hear people who understand that their lives will bear no resemblance to the lives of their parents and grandparents and they’re really upset about it.”
Commercial American Banks and Tucker’s Support for the Left-wing Occupy Wall Street Protests. “And I do think that certain forces — the banks, people loaning the money — have a real incentive to foment dissent within the population against each other. Fight amongst yourselves while we continue to charge you 25 percent interest on your credit card. And as I said when we first discussed this, I noticed this after Occupy Wall Street, which was the very first left-wing movement that I thought, Hmm, I kind of like the theme here.”
Q. Interesting That You brought up Occupy Wall Street and Your Affinity With It. “(A)ny economic system in which the overwhelming majority of the rewards go to an ever-shrinking number of people or proportion of people is a doomed system because it makes people revolutionary… So, I don’t know what you call this, but it’s not working and it’s making for a very volatile country.”
Tucker’s Says “Normal People” Applaud the Murder of the 2024 United Healthcare Executive: “And the murder of that health care executive in New York, the health insurer guy? I’m against all murder, just to be totally clear. I was surprised but not really shocked by the positive reaction. All these normal-looking people on the internet are like, “I am glad they killed him.” They don’t even know his name. That reflects this revolutionary frustration. And I do think it’s revolutionary.”
Tucker’s Attack on U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz and U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee. “On Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee…I know the other two very well and have for many years, and both of them have been like, We should go kill people and their kids and then make excuses for that. There’s nothing worse than that.”
[New York Times Notice: “After the interview, we asked Carlson to clarify his claims that Cruz and Huckabee had supported the murder of children and other innocent civilians. His representative responded with an email that just said, “Gaza.” When asked for comment, Huckabee wrote, ‘No sane person advocates for the murder of children or civilians,’ and called the allegation ‘sick and evil.’ And Cruz wrote that we should spend our time ‘actually covering people who still matter.’”]
Q. Who do you think is more morally repulsive: Ted Cruz or Nick Fuentes? “Ted Cruz! Ted Cruz is a sitting U.S. senator who has called for the killing of people who did nothing wrong, whole populations, who advocated for this war. Nick Fuentes is a kid. He’s like 26 or 27.”
Q. About Fuentes: He’s a white nationalist who has denied the Holocaust. “OK, but is that worse than killing kids?”
Q. Can you imagine creating a new party? Can you imagine there being a different party that would more closely align to your views and perhaps others’? “Are you going to have a political party whose No. 1 aim is helping the people who put it in power, helping the citizens of the United States? And neither party can say that, honestly, because neither party is very interested in its own citizens. The Democratic Party is much more interested in importing new noncitizens, making them citizens and making reliable voters out of them. And the Republican Party is much more interested in fighting wars for a foreign country. So whatever you think of those aims, neither one is focused on the needs of Americans. And I think somebody should be in a representative democracy. There should be a party that is speaking for most people. Am I going to build it? Absolutely not. I’m not a politician, but I would support it.”
Q. Could it be someone on the Left? “It could be anybody. I’m not even sure what ‘the left’ means at this point. I have some very good friends on the left. They’re not conventional West Side liberals… But I have some sincere left-wing friends who have a critique of economics and foreign policy that I agree with completely, or substantially agree with, for sure.
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He tells so many lies, but this one jumps out:
Ted Cruz is a sitting U.S. senator who has called for the killing of people who did nothing wrong, whole populations, who advocated for this war. Nick Fuentes is a kid.
Whole populations?
He’s right about Cruz.
If it is the latter, then he has sold himself to Satan for the sake of prosperity, which will not end well for Tucker.
I really don’t believe Cruz , Tucker, or Fuentes are particularly religious so their arguments are just LARPing for “likes” online.
Obviously I don’t know what is truly in someone’s heart but I wouldn’t bet money on any of them honestly believing anything they say in terms of their religious beliefs
Nick Fuentes: "It was December 18...That's Joseph Stalin's birthday. I'm a fan." Tucker Carlson: "You're a fan of Stalin?" Nick Fuentes: "Always an admirer."
I didn’t realize Sen. Cruz called for the killing of all 90 million Iranian citizens.
Please expound.
No, he is not correct about Cruz.
Can somebody tell me another country that has a “right to exist”?
Nigeria?
Ukraine?
Spain?
Russia?
South Korea?
North Korea?
Greece?
Taiwan?
China?
Iran?
The United States of America?
Do any of these or all of these or just some of these have a “right to exist”?
If any of them do, what does that practically mean?
He was mauled by a Demon.
Obviously being a “fan” of Stalin is morally abhorrent and incompatible with being allowed to speak publicly.
What about Genghis Khan?
What about Napoleon Bonaparte?
What about Alexander the Great?
What about Julius Cesar?
Is it o.k. to be a “fan” of any of them?
He’s right about Cruz.
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Is he? Well you, Tucker and Nick should go get a room and pillow talk about that.
Western nations have no right to exist so it’s okay to flood them with 3rd worlders
Israel exists primarily because individual Jews and non-government organizations bought parcels of land from individuals living in the former Mandate who chose to sell that land to them. They eventually became the majority, so when referendums were held to determine who would govern those lands, the Jews won.
They have the right to their country the same as does anyone else.
Has he switched to speaking in Arabic yet?
Tuck is a Schmuck. He like the CEO killing but hate the Iran killing.
LOL, sure lets ignore that Nick Fuentes is a "fan" of Stalin. Idiocy
Tucker Carlson is an Elitist due to his family wealth from Swanson foods. Also, he was a good friend of Hunter Biden. So he may be returning to his roots.
DIRTYSECRET wrote: “”He’s right about Cruz.”
Kindly post a quotation where Cruz advocating killing of any population.
Bkmk
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