The losers lose. Better luck next time when you mess with the bear. The whole world knows what we are now and we will pay a heavy price.
Posted on 12/20/2025 5:46:37 PM PST by SeekAndFind
The difficult decision that Ukraine’s government now faces is between enduring continued bombing by Russia and relinquishing sovereign land to Russia that is a part of its own cultural identity.
There are indications that Ukraine may consider ceding territory currently under Russian control if it received ironclad security guarantees in the event of a renewed Russian attack. But Ukraine is still trying to hold onto the part of the Donbas region that it has painstakingly fortified—or, at least, it is trying to avoid recognizing it as Russian and giving it up altogether.
Ukraine still holds between 10 to 15 percent of Donbas, in the Donetsk region, which sits atop coal deposits and is home to heavy engineering factories. Russian President Vladimir Putin has made gaining control over this last swath of the Donbas to be a condition of peace talks; so far, two different proposals have been suggested. One calls for the territory to be turned into a demilitarized zone (DMZ), and the other calls for a demilitarized and free economic zone (FEZ). Both would function as a buffer between Ukrainian-controlled and Russian-controlled land.
Scant details have been shared, however, on what these arrangements could look like, who would govern the zone, who would monitor violations, and who would stand to benefit economically. “These ideas seem to come out of a proposal written by [White House envoy Steve] Witkoff, but they don’t provide any technical details. DMZs are a technically complex proposal, where much hinges on the details,” said Michael Kofman, a senior fellow with Carnegie Endowment.
According to the Trump administration’s leaked plan, this last swath of the Dometsk region’s industrialized belt would be turned into a DMZ, emptied of the Ukrainian army, and internationally recognized as a part of Russia.
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“If the Ukrainian troops withdraw five or ten kilometers, then why don’t the Russian troops also withdraw deep into the occupied territories by the same distance?” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Dec 14.
OMG! Then there will never be peace. /s/
Anti drone netting is going up in Kharkiv. 2nd largest city in Ukraine. Someone anticipates battle lines approaching.
The decision is between:
Lose part, and save lives.
Lose all, and kill hundreds of thousands more.
You pick.
Dammit!
But whatever you do, do it without MY MONEY!!!
No precedent so we can’t do it. Tell me again how precedents are set?
Translation: They demand we get involved militarily of they set up a false flag attack and blame it on Russia.
Vlad needs to move up to the Dniepner and take Odessa, leaving Ukraine a rump, beggar nation. The Dniepner river would serve as a fine “DMZ “ for both sides.
The alternative is losing more territory and lives. That's it.
Russia has no incentive to agree to this.
The losers lose. Better luck next time when you mess with the bear. The whole world knows what we are now and we will pay a heavy price.
Foreign Policy wonks want a war to defeat Russia and it looks like they’re not going to get one this year.
RE: Vlad needs to move up to the Dniepner and take Odessa, leaving Ukraine a rump, beggar nation.
So why doesn’t he do it pronto? It’s been almost 4 years and over a million lives now.
“Vlad needs to move up to the Dniepner and take Odessa, “
Vlad wanted to take Kiev in three days but was outsmarted by a comedian.
Your KGB thug has only been successful at lining his and his friends pockets at the expense of the working Russians.
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