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Posted on 12/01/2025 9:12:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Today the NY Times has published the story of a trans woman named Jennifer Capasso. Capasso, who lives in New York, was diagnosed with multiple tumors which had spread throughout to various organs. Capasso was still getting medical treatment, including surgeries to remove the tumors, at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan. In March 2022, Capasso set her phone to record what the doctors were saying during the operation.
“I wanted to know what’s going on,” she recounted. She turned on the audio recorder on her phone before the anesthesia hit. “Knowledge is power.”
The surgeon removed part of her lung. She did not get around to playing the recording until a few weeks later. Though the audio was muffled, she could follow some of what the surgical team was saying before the procedure began. Someone was going out for coffee — did anyone want something from Starbucks? The conversation then shifted.
“ — still has man parts.”
It seemed to Ms. Capasso that they were talking about her genitalia.
Later on in the story the Times explains that there was a particular reason the doctors were discussing Capasso's status as a trans woman. The medical system at the time listed her as female, which meant that when Capasso arrived the nurse offered a pregnancy test.
On the recording, which was shared with The Times, it appears that the medical workers are discussing their feelings about transgender identity...
“Not that it’s not right.”
“It’s not.”
“It doesn’t make sense.”
“I don’t get any of it, I’m sorry.”...
At various points during the conversation, there are repeated mentions of something that had happened earlier, when Ms. Capasso arrived.
She had been asked to take a pregnancy test, a routine preoperative step for female patients. Even though she doesn’t have a uterus, she had offered to do whatever was easiest.
Whatever was easiest? Well, how about not making the staff do a pregnancy test on a man? That seems pretty easy. In any case, that led to another conversation in the operating room about changing the sex designation in Capasso's medical records.
“It’s not supposed to just say ‘female,’” one can be heard saying. “It’s supposed to say ‘transgender female.’”
“It’s still wrong per se,” someone says.
Then, the conversation takes an unexpected turn. One health care worker announces that she will contact an administrator who works on improving care for L.G.B.T.Q. patients. “She’s, like, in charge of this trans stuff,” the worker says.
A phone call ensues. After explaining the situation — “they’re ordering pregnancy tests on the patient, too” — the medical worker explains that she has updated Ms. Capasso’s medical records, and wonders if that was the correct thing to do.
“So then we have to have it changed back to ‘female?’” the worker asks. “I was just trying to make things right.”
Capasso claims the recording wasn't intended to trying to catch her doctors talking about trans identity, but whatever the original intent , Capasso later decided to sue. The hospital responded by pointing out that it's medically necessary for them to know the patient's actual sex. And even the NY Times story agrees with this.
In legal filings, Memorial Sloan Kettering states that “its records accurately reflect Plaintiff’s sex assigned-at-birth as male.”
“Such information is relevant to and necessary for the provision of standard-of-care treatment,” the hospital stated in court papers.
Medical journals and research articles have emphasized that doctors should be fully aware of the anatomy of their transgender patients — as well as the sex they were assigned at birth — in order to screen for diseases such as cancer and to properly interpret lab results.
It has been 3 1/2 years since the surgery and the recording. Capasso has already lived twice as long as expected in 2022. Capasso's cancer has returned and so more treatment, including radiation therapy, is now underway. Capasso is getting that treatment from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan, the same hospital Capasso is suing. Asked about this, Capasso told the Times, "they're the best." Capasso added, "I'm still alive."
Nothing on Capasso's recording should be grounds for a lawsuit. Doctors and nurses are allowed to have opinions about trans issues so long as those opinions don't impact their work. Indeed, the reason they were discussing it seems to be that they had offered a male a pregnancy test based on inaccurate medical records. The fact that Capasso is still alive indicates the doctors have done good work, regardless of his genitals. But of course the Times story seeks to present this as some sort of outrage, as if anyone who voices the forbidden idea, that trans women aren't really women, deserves to be punished.
It is a mentally ill man.
Now it is trying to win the lawsuit lottery.
Mem Sloan Kettering? This is one of the best hospitals in the world. The OR is top rate.
They let a patient bring an outside object into the OR?
Did they sterilize it? How would you go about doing that?
It was snuck in? How exactly?
There is no way
The headline is the team saved a life but is being sued
Not the team saved a life who is turning around and suing them
It’s been 3 years. The docs must have done something right. The most imprtany thing
Just go to Minnesota and get the governor to get you in on a program. Or get a job
Ungrateful little man.
“They let a patient bring an outside object into the OR?”
They were discussing pre-operative procedures i.e. the pregnancy test. There are requirements to do certain types of procedures for a surgery and the designation of sex can dictate them. The discussion was between a couple of people prior to the surgery on how to stay within the surgical mandates since the designation of gender was not consistent with the body in the records which are the administrative mainstay of the work being done.
wy69
I see. You mean I should read the article before commenting?
Oh geeze. Well I did skim it. Anyway the docs are going to discuss the patient. They saved the life for at least 3 years. This is a money seeking situation I imagine.
I wondered the same thing.
I’ve had surgery a few times. Prior to procedure. you have to remove all garmentd, even your BVDs. You then put on one of those flimsy hospital gowns that only cover one side of the body at a time. You then are lead to a hospital bed to wait for the Anesthesia Specialist and others.
Most let you keep your phone with you if you want to.
Maybe that’s where mistakes were made.
The Patient here kept his phone with him, but nobody thought to check whether it was set on Record. Most patients would never be so sneaky and ungrateful.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I thought ones being recorded had to beaware and give consent.
From AI:
“New York is a one-party consent state, meaning you can legally record a conversation as long as you are a participant in the conversation. This applies to phone calls and in-person conversations, but you cannot record conversations you are not a part of. “
It was not part of the conversation so not legal to record IMO. WHY this is being allowed to proceed is beyond me.
Please do not post a photo of this thang.
LOL I just saw that TOO LATE 🤯 - OOPS 😬😬
It would be very easy. I had open heart surgery and it would have been very easy to hide a cell phone under my arm or behind my neck prior to anesthesia. In fact I had a cell phone until they took me to surgery. I handed it to my wife. If I was Sloan Kettering I would refuse to do any future care for her and suggest she, it or him seek care elsewhere. My hospital "Baylor Scott White" gave me excellent care and saved my life. They opened my chest, put me on bypass and stopped my heart and I was technically dead but keep alive by machines. My surgeon was from India. I selected him as he was the best in Central Texas. It was a wise choice.
Abby Rubenfeld many years ago?
Looks like a Joe Biden appointee
Just keep delaying, he’ll be dead soon.
Rubenfeld is Paul Reuben’s (PeeWee Herman’s) sister, a Nashville attorney specializing in LGBTwhatever cases. Actually the hospital scammer looks better than she ever did - and that’s saying something.
I said that because of it’s resemblance to Paul.
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