Posted on 05/07/2025 6:18:58 PM PDT by DoodleBob
… Kennedy’s claim about fetal debris specifically refers to the rubella component of the MMR vaccine. The rubella virus is generally grown in a human cell line known as WI-38, which was originally derived from lung tissue of a single elective abortion in the 1960s. This cell line has been used for decades, and no new fetal tissue has been used since.
Certain vaccines for other diseases, such as chickenpox, hepatitis A and rabies, have also been made by growing the viruses in fetal cells.
These cells are used not because of their origin, but because they provide a stable, safe and reliable environment for growing the attenuated virus. They serve only as a growth medium for the virus and they are not part of the final product.
You might think of the cells as virus-producing factories. Once the virus is grown, it’s extracted and purified as part of a rigorous process to meet strict safety and quality standards. What remains in the final vaccine is the virus itself and stabilising agents, but not human cells, nor fetal tissue.
So claims about “fetal debris” in the vaccine are false.
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Kennedy claimed the Mennonites’ reluctance to vaccinate stems from “religious objections” to what he described as “a lot of aborted fetus debris and DNA particles” in the MMR vaccine.
The latter claim, about the vaccine containing DNA particles, is technically true. Trace amounts of DNA fragments from the human cell lines used to produce the rubella component of the MMR vaccine may remain even after purification.
However, with this claim, there’s an implication these fragments pose a health risk. This is false.
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“ I am an epidemiologist whose strength is my breadth of experience. I have worked in a number of areas, including infectious diseases, foodborne disease, nutrition, child health, asthma and Indigenous Health.
One of my specialist areas is applied epidemiology, with a focus on the investigation and response to outbreaks and epidemics of disease.
In addition to my work in Australia, I have extensive experience working in the Asia Pacific region, having worked in Fiji, Papua New Guinea and Cambodia in capacity building and responding to health emergencies.
I also have considerable expertise in science and health communication, with a particular interest in risk communication.”
Its all sematics about the words he used.
The MMR vaccine does not contain fetal tissue or fetal debris from abortions. The rubella component of the vaccine is produced using a human cell line derived from a fetus aborted in the 1960s, but no fetal tissue or cells from the original abortion are present in the final vaccine. The cell line used continues to replicate independently, and no further sources of fetal cells are needed for vaccine production.
So the vaccine still has parts derived and using an aborted fetus cell line. If he said this speciically there would be no semantic denials.
I’m immediately suspicious of anyone who uses phrases like “here’s the science”, “trust the science”, etc.
It arrogantly implies that they know everything, and anyone who disagrees in the least is an idiot.
I don’t care whether it’s present in the vaccine. It’s development depended on killing a human being, no less than the lampshades Nazi’s made from human skin. A human being was killed and used to create a product, and I don’t care how useful that product is!
He states it is “false” that the vaccine contains “fetal debris” but then admits it has fetal DNA. So this appears to be a lie.
The he says the fact of the DNA being present doesn’t pose a health risk, but, that wasn’t the objection. So this is a straw man argument.
SCIENCE ISN'T MATH.
It never was.
And it sure isn't now.
The history of science is littered with "no wait....that's wrong...THIS is right..." going through the rinse and repeat cycle endlessly.
And that's ok. Inquiry and challenge and "being a science heretic" is, in many ways, how mankind learns more and can fix more problems.
One of my favorite sagas regarding "accuracy" and "settled science" is ulcers.
In 1981 Barry Marshall began working with Robin Warren, the Royal Perth Hospital pathologist who, two years earlier, discovered the gut could be overrun by hardy, corkscrew-shaped bacteria called Helicobacter pylori. Biopsying ulcer patients and culturing the organisms in the lab, Marshall traced not just ulcers but also stomach cancer to this gut infection. The cure, he realized, was readily available: antibiotics. But mainstream gastroenterologists were dismissive, holding on to the old idea that ulcers were caused by stress.
Unable to make his case in studies with lab mice (because H. pylori affects only primates) and prohibited from experimenting on people, Marshall... ran an experiment on ...himself. He took some H. pylori from the gut of an ailing patient, stirred it into a broth, and drank it....Back in the lab, he biopsied his own gut, culturing H. pylori and proving unequivocally that bacteria were the underlying cause of ulcers.
For their work on H. pylori, Marshall and Warren shared a 2005 Nobel Prize. Today the standard of care for an ulcer is treatment with an antibiotic.
But science isn't math. Your checking account balance is the sum of deposits less sum of withdrawals. Always. Forever.
The problem arises when people try to equate science with math...usually they call it "settled science." And, to be sure, robust inquiry and disciplined application of the scientific method usually gives you clear and distinct results. Then, science is settled...until we get new data or better techniques, and then we get "wait a minute..".
For example, there was a most excellent article posted on how "settled science" wasn't so settled, wherein:
seems that Earth has been misplaced. According to a new map of the Milky Way galaxy, the Solar System's position isn't where we thought it was. Not only is it closer to the galactic centre - and the supermassive hole therein, Sagittarius A* - it's orbiting at a faster clip.
It further noted other "errors" in SCIENCE:
A good recent example of this is the red giant star Betelgeuse, which turned out to be closer to Earth than previous measurements suggested. This means that it's neither as large nor as bright as we thought. Another is the object CK Vulpeculae, a star that exploded 350 years ago. It's actually much farther away, which means that the explosion was brighter and more energetic, and requires a new explanation, since previous analyses were performed under the assumption it was relatively low energy
The other problem arises when Certain Powers work overtime to suppress assiduous inquiry. Which, is what we have today as well. It's a bad double whammy.
In the interest of full disclosure, my "science isn't math" quote came from a recent post on social sciences, that featured this brilliant give and take involving a Harvard faculty member critical of Charles Murray from the original article, that is worth reprinting - it is with regard to the "certainty of SCIENCE":
"so why should we let someone teach social science that we know to be wrong in our social science courses?"
Because it is possible that you are wrong.
Science is not mathematics. Newtonian physics was wrong. And social science is a further three rungs down in certainty from science.
Your level of certainty and arrogance about what can be said, and probably thought, smacks of religion, and not science. This is a political religion that permeates academia at the moment. And which I am fairly sure you will swear does not infect you, while the rest of us can see the symptoms quite plainly.
Only religions ban heretics from speaking because of the wrong-think they might cause. Real science loves a good heretic. In fact, honestly, the entire goal of science is to be a heretic. To have an idea that no other person ever had. Science is the pretty much the antithesis of your thought-police approach.
And most of academia used to be the antithesis of your thought police approach as well, until the religion of leftism took it over, with the direct help of people like you.
Yeah, that fetus was ‘collateral damage’ 70-odd years ago.
Kennedy’s claim about Nazi debris specifically refers to the X component of the Y vaccine. The X virus is generally grown in a human cell line known as WI-38, which was originally derived from lung tissue of Anne Frank in the 1940s. This cell line has been used for decades, and no new Holocaust victim tissue has been used since.
Certain vaccines for other diseases, such as chickenpox, hepatitis A and rabies, have also been made by growing the viruses in Anne Frank cells.
These cells are used not because of their origin, but because they provide a stable, safe and reliable environment for growing the attenuated virus. They serve only as a growth medium for the virus and they are not part of the final product.
What’s a ‘sematic’?
> Inquiry and challenge and “being a science heretic” is, in many ways, how mankind learns more and can fix more problems. <
Right you are. The great breakthrough in science occurred during the Renaissance, when folks were finally able to challenge the (often wrong) scientific beliefs of Aristotle.
Such challenges were celebrated, and encouraged.
No longer. The most disturbing example of this is with man-made Climate Change. Challenge that belief, and you’ll be cancelled. Back to the Dark Ages of science we go.
King James Bible
And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
https://biblehub.com/matthew/27-6.htm
King James Bible
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/3-16.htm
Some people don’t want to contaminate themselves with the sin of abortion even if there is no cell or molecule of the murdered baby in the vaccine.
I don’t give a crap what’s in them. I don’t want it ever.
Well written analogy! Thank you.
I wrote RFK jr. if he’d investigate Soylent Green contents but haven’t heard back from him.
...about the vaccine containing DNA particles, is technically true. Trace amounts of DNA fragments from the human cell lines used to produce the rubella component of the MMR vaccine may remain even after purification.
it’s the opposite of an anti-semantic.
A feral cell cloned into a culture is still originating as from a fetus.
Checking out their website. They are a bunch of Liberals. not to be trusted.
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