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German intelligence chief says Russia wants to test West
Yahoo News ^ | March 8, 2025 | DPA

Posted on 03/08/2025 9:31:49 PM PST by buwaya

Berlin (dpa) - Russia intends to test Western unity, especially with regard to NATO's collective defence clause, according to Bruno Kahl, the head of Germany's BND intelligence service. In an interview with Deutsche Welle broadcaster, he said Russia was considering testing the reliability of NATO's Article 5, which states that an attack on one ally must be treated as an attack on all. .... "It is also possible that a concrete threat or blackmail attempt from Russia against Europeans could occur earlier than previously calculated," Kahl said.

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TOPICS: European Union; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: 666; antiamericanism; article5; bnd; eussr; fakenews; fourthreich; german; intelligence; molotovribbentrop; narcissistmaximus; nato; newmolotovribbentrop; tds; thebeast
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The German BND (Foreign Intelligence Service) says Russia is very likely to start what amounts to 4G warfare vs Euro NATO countries. To try to mess with Article 5 invocation.
1 posted on 03/08/2025 9:31:49 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

China is where the action is and the defense buildup is headed in that direction in the end. Russia is much more weaker than the drama lays on.

China, China, China is the enemy regardless.


2 posted on 03/08/2025 9:35:43 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: buwaya

I don’t put too much stock in Yahoo News but ...

Don’t try it Russia.

If Zelenskyy had signed the deal on March 1, we’d probably have a cease fire in Ukraine by now.


3 posted on 03/08/2025 9:38:17 PM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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German “Intelligence” is bound and determined that a new World War start. They are going to lie to advance that conflict.


4 posted on 03/08/2025 9:38:38 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: buwaya

“Believe us, we intelligence services have never lied before! Oh what’s that, German citizen?! You oppose muslim immigration!? To the re-education camps with you!”


5 posted on 03/08/2025 9:39:12 PM PST by lovingliberty1965
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To: buwaya

Using the word Germany and the word intelligence together is an oxymoron.


6 posted on 03/08/2025 9:47:07 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: libertylover

The story is originally in Deutsche Welle (DW).
Like the German BBC.


7 posted on 03/08/2025 9:48:17 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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But the German press never lies says this man in the street...

8 posted on 03/08/2025 9:52:39 PM PST by Waverunner (all)
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To: Waverunner

Is he some bigshot in the Afd?


9 posted on 03/08/2025 9:55:03 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

No, the NSDAP


10 posted on 03/08/2025 9:56:54 PM PST by Waverunner (all)
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To: buwaya

Article 5 does not require the use of military force


11 posted on 03/08/2025 9:57:52 PM PST by Az Joe (We can't spare President Trump; He fights!)
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To: Waverunner

Thanks! I was a bit confused there.


12 posted on 03/08/2025 9:59:59 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Waverunner

heh


13 posted on 03/08/2025 10:16:29 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: buwaya; All

” The German BND (Foreign Intelligence Service) says Russia is very likely to start what amounts to 4G warfare vs Euro NATO countries. To try to mess with Article 5 invocation.”


Sounds like these guys think there will be an “incident” which will seem like justification for an Article 5 against Russia.

Now I wonder how the BND could know that in advance ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


14 posted on 03/08/2025 11:08:57 PM PST by Reverend Wright (Anschluss now !)
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To: LegendHasIt

How many times has US Intelligence misled and lied to the American People and indirectly to the rest of the world ??

I am highly skeptical of any so-called Intelligence Agency, believing they are pushing some type of narrative meant to push the public into supporting a war regardless of the cost and destruction.


15 posted on 03/08/2025 11:20:37 PM PST by srmanuel
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"Believe us, we intelligence services have never lied before! Oh what’s that, German citizen?!"

The first Nazi intelligence officer hired by the CIA was Reinhard Gehlen, aka "Hitler's Super Spy." Gehlen was given free rein by the CIA to build his own organization of spies. They even ignored his hiring of SS, SA and former German Policemen although they had originally banned him from doing so. Gehlen's Organization as it was known, became so discombobulated that Gehlen himself didn't know down through the pipeline who was hiring who. When it became embarrassingly obvious that the majority of the so-called intelligence that got back to the CIA, turned out to be made-up stories, rumors, and gossip, that the CIA ended Gehlen's program in the U.S., transferring Gehlen's Organization to the supervision of the Federal Republic of Germany under Konrad Adenauer in 1956.

Gehlen's Organization became the nucleus of the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND, Federal Intelligence Service), and Gehlen became the President of the BND, serving until 1968. He was forced to retire when it was discovered there was a Russian mole working in the BND...Heinz Felfe, a former SS lieutenant. It was a big embarrassment for Konrad Adenauer.

16 posted on 03/08/2025 11:22:14 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Reverend Wright

A Russian invasion that was to take days stretched into months. Then months into years. And Ukraine still exists. Russia is a paper tiger and an attack on a NATO country would indeed be the introduction to World War III and the demise of Russia. And likely the demise of European civilization (of which Russia has never really taken part).


17 posted on 03/09/2025 12:39:15 AM PST by Bookshelf
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To: buwaya

German intelligence…. Probably of the same mindset as the cia, “we need a war”.


18 posted on 03/09/2025 4:16:21 AM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: buwaya

When don’t they?


19 posted on 03/09/2025 4:18:24 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says it.)
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To: LegendHasIt

“German “Intelligence” is bound and determined that a new World War start. They are going to lie to advance that conflict.”

There’s one damn good reason why Russia will never ‘test’ Article 5, and if the German ‘intelligence’ cannot figure it out, then Germany needs to try harder to find ‘intelligent’ people.


20 posted on 03/09/2025 4:21:11 AM PDT by BobL (The people who hate Trump demand that you hate Russia)
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