Posted on 01/16/2025 6:04:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Don't say you weren't warned. Yesterday, everyone in the world attempted to claim credit for a hostage-exchange deal between Israel and Hamas, even though the agreement technically didn't get final approval. Israel had agreed to the terms on the table, Hamas had supposedly given a 'green light,' but I wrote yesterday that Hamas usually attempts to pull their last-minute manipulations at this very stage:
As I wrote earlier, don't count on this deal holding up until the hostages get released. And even if it holds up through Phase I, don't be surprised when Hamas reneges and demands a renegotiation at that point, too.
And ... welcome to the Hamas Hokey Pokey:
President Biden and the prime minister of Qatar announced Wednesday both Israel and Hamas had accepted the truce, the result of a year of painstaking diplomacy that reached a conclusion in the days before Donald Trump’s inauguration as president.
Palestinian militant group Hamas also said it had reached a deal with Israel, while Israeli President Isaac Herzog welcomed the agreement and urged the Israeli government to accept it.
But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Hamas on Thursday of reneging on parts of the agreement during negotiations taking place in Qatar, creating what his office called “a last-minute crisis.”
Every. Single. Time. Although, it's tough to expect much else from a group whose mission is the annihilation of every Jew on the planet, except those they subjugate into slavery. This is one reason why the US and Western position was to refuse to negotiate with terrorists at all, and for that matter genocidal regimes run by terrorists. We refused terms to the Nazis and Imperial Japan for that very reason -- because there is no rational discussions possible with genocidal nutcases bent on mass murder by any means possible.
Of course, both Israel and the US have given up the ghost on that principle. Israel is about to cut a deal with Hamas in which they will trade a massively asymmetrical number of prisoners convicted of terror, including murderers, for each hostage Hamas releases. Israel has refused to release any prisoners that participated in the October 7 massacre, however, and that appears to be the basis of this round of Hamas Hokey Pokey:
Overnight, the PMO said that the purported dispute was related to the identity of Palestinian security prisoners slated for release. It said Hamas was “demanding to dictate the identity of these murderers,” contradicting agreed-upon terms.
That's not the only issue that will likely get the Hokey Pokey, and not the most important either. The Israelis agreed in principle to withdraw from both the Netzarim and Philadelphi corridors at the end of the third phase if Hamas fulfilled the terms of the agreement, which is not a smart move for them strategically but absolutely critical for Hamas' survival. It's a bit murky, but it appears the IDF will draw down from the Netzarim corridor sooner, allowing transit from the southern to northern regions of Gaza, but Israel will remain in control of Philadelphi and its access to Egypt until the deal is complete.
Hamas agreed to that, and now wants to renegotiate it:
Separately, a senior diplomatic official denied to reporters on Thursday that Israel had agreed to gradually pull out of the Philadelphi Corridor along the border between Gaza and Egypt from the start of the ceasefire.
The official said Israeli troops will remain in the area “throughout the entire first stage, all 42 days.” The number of troops deployed there will remain the same, the official said, “but will be distributed in a different manner, including outposts, patrols, observation points and control along the entire route.”
Only on day 16 of the first stage, the official added, will negotiations begin over the end of the war, and “if Hamas does not agree to Israeli demands to end the war, Israel will remain in the Philadelphi Corridor also on the 42nd day and also the 50th day.”
In practical terms, the official contended, “Israel is staying in Philadelphi until further notice.”
I'd bet that's the real point of contention, and for good reason. Hamas can't get resupplied while Israel controls the border with Egypt, and they badly need resupply to prepare for the next war they launch. Why Israel agreed to withdraw at all is inexplicable ... except of course for the Western pressure to end the war and domestic pressure to get the hostages back, which is precisely why Hamas keeps capturing and torturing hostages.
They also do the Hamas Hokey Pokey because that too gets rewarded. Now that both Biden and Trump have declared a win with this agreement, Hamas expects both to pressure Israel into further concessions to keep from being embarrassed by its collapse.
Joe Biden has been dancing to the Hamas Hokey Pokey all along; will Trump? That may be what Hamas wants to find out.
At any rate, no one should declare this agreement finalized unless and until the first hostage/prisoner exchanges take place. And no one should believe that this is the last time that Hamas will start a war, fight it, lose, and then Hokey Pokey the world around to start another war, either.
There was no hokey pokey.
Netanyahu faces jail. Can’t let there be a resolution.
The spin on this is thick.
Mr. Netanyahu does not have the final say on this deal Donald J. Trump does and how his corruption trial winds up is a mystery to me at this point.
Bibi has to please people who don’t support the deal in Israel and he is pandering to them with a dog and pony show about Hamas being shifty.
Hamas has no intention of giving in on anything. It was a crappy deal anyway -— A couple dozen hostages, many of them DEAD for over a hundred murderers? That not a deal, it’s an insult!
OFFS
Just had a thought. Since some of the hostages are dead, perhaps the Israelis should return the Pali prisoners in the same condition.
“ the result of a year of painstaking diplomacy”
Not really. Israel reached most of its goals except release of the hostages. Israel was likely given a Trump carrot and stick deal on the side, with Trump saying he doesn’t want this hanging over his administration. Hamas was given a stick offer in public (Trump saying if the hostages are not released there will be ‘hell to pay’) but who knows what carrots Hamas was offered maybe by third parties. Israel has done enough damage to Gaza and Hamas. They won’t get every single terrorist and unless they intend to occupy it indefinitely they need to eventually leave internal security to the Gazans. Apparently this deal will include some Egyptian and Qatari security on the ground.
The main thing I don’t like about this deal is relinquishing control of the Egyptian/Gaza border but maybe Israel has new methods to monitor and prevent smuggling. I read that Egypt build another walled in zone 25 km deeper into the Sinai which I surmise was partly to prevent or contain fleeing refugees, but could be used to stop materials from getting close to a Gaza border tunnel. But just a guess.
Hamas, in less than 4 days Donald Trump will be President. He has already said if we don’t get the hostages back by then there will be “Hell to pay”.
so go ahead Hamas, FAFO!.
Muslims following the precepts in the Qu’uran are not to lie ——unless placed in
a situation “allowing for a form of deception called “taqiyya” where lying might be permissible to protect oneself or one’s faith; this interpretation is based on verses like Quran 4:29, where Muslims are instructed to “not take the disbelievers as allies.”
They can pretend to convert under duress . make false promises to infidels and can lie to protect their family from infidels around them.
Go ahead and return those involved in Oct. 7th...in a pine box.
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This!
I called it:
“Uncle Miltie to DIRTYSECRET
Gonna be a mudslime bait and switch again.
Just watch.”
Hamas Accepts Deal to Release Hostages; Israel Now Must Approve
1/14/2025, 6:18:06 AM · 7 of 50
Uncle Miltie to DIRTYSECRET
Gonna be a mudslime bait and switch again.
Just watch.
Well, two can play that game. Israel and the IDF should not give an inch until every hostage is returned. Then, and only then, should negotiations be reopened. Hamas has stated that they have no intention of surrender until not a single jew is left alive. Perhaps it’s time to turn Gaza into a glass parking lot. If the Palestinians won’t give up Hamas, they need to know the cost of that decision.
I hate to say it but we will be shocked by how few, if any, hostages are alive.
Do you have any evidence Netanyahu scotched the deal, or did you just make that up?
The only deal that should be offered to Hamas is turn over all hostages immediately and we won’t hunt your leaders down to the ends of the earth and kill them all.
The only thing certain in these stories is that Netanyahu and the IDF are extremely intelligent and not at all naive.
They know Iran is behind everything,they know that Hamas and the Biden administration can not be trusted.
The media say whatever the Biden people tell them to say. The media are usually wrong.
That’s the deal come Monday.
Hamas leadership is about to find out.
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