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We don’t want revenge, we want justice
American Thinker ^ | 11/28/2024 | Kevin Finn

Posted on 11/28/2024 4:40:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind

President-elect Trump has stated that success will be his revenge. While those of us on the right pray that his next term will be successful, there are distinctions between revenge and justice. Revenge is emotional, personal, vindictive and cyclic, whereas justice is rational, impersonal, and brings about vindication and closure.

We’re seeing what happens when people break the law with impunity. Those who commit smash-and-grab burglaries are given a slap on the wrist, when and if they’re apprehended. Stories of public figures committing blatant crimes flash across our screens and then fade into the ether. Millions of illegals are welcomed into our country and many wreak havoc. Meanwhile, grandmothers praying in front of abortion mills get sent to prison and government officials burst into people’s homes and euthanize their pets. Police departments, like our military, are having difficulty meeting recruitment goals as candidates have no wish to risk life, limb, and liberty for woke bureaucrats who don’t have their back.

At one time our government was ostensibly composed of people who respected the Constitution and the rule of law. Republicans campaign on being the party of law and order. Yet the GOP has a fairly well-established pattern of summoning people to their committees to testify as to their actions, writing up lengthy reports and then...nothing happens.

Case in point: a story broke on November 27, 2024 concerning Michael Byrd, the Capitol Police (CP) officer who shot and killed Ashli Babbitt on January 6, 2021. Byrd has a checkered career in the CP. During the J6 demonstration he shot Ashli Babbitt, a small, unarmed female Air Force veteran in the neck, killing her. Byrd says that by shooting Babbitt he “saved countless lives”. Babbitt was reportedly 5’2” tall and weighed around 110 lbs.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iwbg; justice; law
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1 posted on 11/28/2024 4:40:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
There are now roughly 800 Americans languishing in terrible conditions in jails for their actions on J6. The 6th Amendment states that, “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial…by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed…”

It’s been four years. That’s not speedy. The 5th Amendment assures us that “no person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”. Are these citizens receiving due process?
2 posted on 11/28/2024 4:42:04 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What is the difference between punishment and discipline?

They can look the same so what is the difference?


3 posted on 11/28/2024 4:45:10 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are not longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere)
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To: SeekAndFind

President-elect Trump has stated that success will be his revenge.


I thought his operative word was “retribution.” There is a difference, no?

I have no problem if correction is in order.


4 posted on 11/28/2024 4:45:51 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (In a world of parrots and lemmings, be a watchdog.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Defining words is a nemesis for the adherents of nihilism and a challenge for those of right mind.

I think of discipline as preemptive and punishment as post facto.


5 posted on 11/28/2024 4:50:13 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (In a world of parrots and lemmings, be a watchdog.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The law has been used to destroy its own objective. It has been used to annihilate the justice it was supposed to maintain.

[paraphrase] The Law - Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)


6 posted on 11/28/2024 4:50:19 PM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The summary justice in need of administration must needs be dispassionate. Difficult in an age imbued with the emotions of idiocy.


7 posted on 11/28/2024 4:54:06 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (In a world of parrots and lemmings, be a watchdog.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I think of discipline as preemptive and punishment as post facto.


What is the difference?

One is the heart of the administrator. Some parents are punishing, and some are disciplining.

The second is the heart of the receiver. I thought Mom was punishing me, as time went by, I reflect on what her heart really was and how hard it was for her to do it.

The libs only see punishment, not correction. That is their heart. Trump and we see correction and discipline.


8 posted on 11/28/2024 5:00:00 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are not longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere)
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To: SeekAndFind

We WILL have justice, I promise. Be patient and wait and see.


9 posted on 11/28/2024 5:03:47 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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As long as he also fixes the border. Crime. Economy.


10 posted on 11/28/2024 5:07:20 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: SeekAndFind

Treason and Conspiracy are Constitutional crimes and should NEVER be allowed to become “normal” or forgivable.


11 posted on 11/28/2024 5:09:19 PM PST by Openurmind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes,IMO most of them...but perhaps not *all*...deserve a full pardon.


12 posted on 11/28/2024 5:11:30 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Import The Third World,Become The Third World)
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To: SeekAndFind

my dad always said “some people get mad and some people get even...I get mad and THEN I get even”.


13 posted on 11/28/2024 5:18:07 PM PST by Qwapisking (Q: know the difference between a petulant 6 y.o. and a liberal? A:age. L.Star )
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To: Taxman

ping


14 posted on 11/28/2024 5:19:07 PM PST by Taxman (MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! SUPPORT THE FAIRTAX!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Justice is to be achieved, then it will necessarily require indictments, trials, convictions and sentences for Demonicrats giving aid and comfort to the domestic and foreign enemies of the United States.


15 posted on 11/28/2024 5:19:58 PM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: SeekAndFind

Well… Quite frankly, I want some revenge too.

Revenge will be justice in this case.


16 posted on 11/28/2024 5:20:44 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Those who broke the law need to be prosecuted!!! Period…


17 posted on 11/28/2024 5:22:46 PM PST by eeriegeno (Checks and balances??? What checks and balances?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The J6 political prisoners have suffered extreme injustice. However, because we have a corrupt biased media, most of the country still believes that they were seditious traitors. We have to get the whole truth out there so that the public will know that these people were exercising their free speech rights and they were motivated by election integrity not rebellion.
If we don’t get the truth out, pardons will be considered political favoritism and Trump and conservatives will lose credibility.
The truth will set them free. It will also deliver justice to those prosecutors and agents that violated defendants’ rights.


18 posted on 11/28/2024 5:27:07 PM PST by grumpygresh ( Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Justice is warranted.

My personal feeling is that punishment is definitely warranted; what Biden and Co. have done in the past 4 years, to me, borders on personal; trash talking us, calling us Nazis, tearing down our borders- someone should ask the families of those young women who were raped and murdered by illegals what THEY want….

19 posted on 11/28/2024 6:49:08 PM PST by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: SeekAndFind

If someone advocates for playing dirty, I won’t by buying in.

If that same person advocates clearly defined cases and
sites and justifies the use of case law in his pleading,
I’m in Big-Time!

It’s time to make it clear this won’t be tolerated in our
nation, and the next time folks think they can get away
with stuff like what took place, I want them to look back
and see long prison terms for those who tried it this time.

“...because you’d be in jail”, comes to mind.

That B had her campaign staff draw up a fraudulent case
against Trump that hobbled his first term, and she should
be called to account for it, along with a lot of others
who knew there was nothing at all legitimate about the
charge of Russian collusion.

That includes Obama, and national security staff who were
all in on the charade from day one.


20 posted on 11/28/2024 6:51:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands. )
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