Posted on 11/24/2024 7:13:02 PM PST by Mariner
Nov. 23 (UPI) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin says the new Oreshnik hypersonic missile used against Ukraine this week will go into serial production and is "ready to be used" again if necessary.
Speaking on Friday during a televised meeting with members of his Security Council, defense industry officials and missile developers, the Russian leader said the Oreshnik cannot be stopped or intercepted and will be deployed as part of the country's Strategic Missile Forces.
"We need to launch serial production," he said, according to the state-run TASS news agency. "Let's say that the decision has been made that the system will go into serial production. Basically, it has already happened."
Putin added, "we have a stock of such systems ready to be used" if needed.
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Nobody will stop them.
Nobody.
It will stop when Trump gets back in. Both sides.
Less than two months to go. I guarantee Trump is in contact with Putin.
Yes, but he is not in charge *now* and the current admin is desperate to make things worse.
“Yes, but he is not in charge *now* and the current admin is desperate to make things worse.”
In spite of their bluster, DC and NATO are having a moment of clarity. Especially Europe.
They win stupid prizes.
Meanwhile, we argue about transvestites in the Pentagon.
The RS-28 is a derivative of the RS-26, which weighs 80,0000 pounds. Real life is not a video game where a player reaches a level and gets to spawn new tech and weapons spawn in seconds. It takes a few years to build MIRV capable ICBMs. Besides, Russia has already used nuclear capable weapons in Ukraine. The Kh-47 Khinzal is nuclear capable, and nuclear capable cruise missiles with the nuclear warheads pulled have been shot down in Ukraine.
Just to remind everyone, Russia has been making nuclear threats several times a month for the last two years. Everything the west does to aid Ukraine is a escalation that demands a proportional response that never happens. Putin is not suicidal. He knows if he launches nuclear weapons on a NATO country, Russia gets it in return. For those who have not noticed, this is why Putin, has, in fact, not launched nuclear weapons and committed nuclear suicide for the New Russian Empire he wants to build.
Putin is trying to scare people who don't know and don't want to know any better. Unfortunately, it's working.
The propoganda lies you perpetuate have no basis for truth. NATO thought Putin had answer to Biden’s authorization to fire US made missiles and US export licensed missiles into Mother Russia, who in turn Bitch Slapped NATO with a conventional unknown system that is not a WMD.
NATO established the precedence and acted to fire missiles long range into Russia.
NATO can also be targeted by Russia with conventional weapons... without explosive payloads and not violate Biden’s RULES BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER, which replaced International Laws based Order estb. since 1945.
Miscalculation by NATO expanding the war into Russia is literally a two way street. NATO was sure they could stop anything fired by Russia. Now even our Laser firing systems cannot yet help, so NATO will have to accept it’s vulnerability, and again the EU and US must rely on Russian/Putin temperament to not attack us back. Russia effectively countered Biden’s first WWIII SHOTS.
Russia hit Ukraine and took out there entire missile production capabilities. Russia informed the world they reserve the right to respond to NATO firing its missiles into Russia is an act if war, and that Biden willfully fired the first Shot in WWIII.
Russia in nearly three years allowed the west to believe a Russian missile would be nuclear, but now you know what was their trump card... and if nukes are fired it won’t be Russians doing it first. They somehow surpassed our Race/Gender Preferenced incompetence which is a 50 year failure in the making.
Dismantle Preferences and DEI, and demand equality and competence as the basis for all Americans. and not just white males. Trump can stop Ukraine and establish a verification system with Russia to dial down the mistrust.
NATO has no countermeasures, and Biden’s dangerous activites have ensured the American backed regime in Ukraine is ousted.
Never mind that Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place, and has fired long range nuclear capable cruise missiles and ballistic missiles into Ukraine first. Remember all the times during the cold war the US and Russian Presidents publicly threated to nuke each other? Oh right, that didn't happen.
... not violate Biden's RULES BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER...
The Rules Based International Order was and still is the post WW-II international order. Who the US President is, and how much the other side dislikes him, doesn't change that. Second, Nato Article Five supersedes the Rules Based Order. For all his bluster, Putin has not risked NATO getting directly involved. During the cold war, both sides sold weapons to each other. Russia even sent
Russia hit Ukraine and took out there entire missile production capabilities.
According to Russia. The Same Russia who has reported destroying the entire AFU three times over in the first year.
The first Oreschnik was one taken out of storage - one that had been manufactured long before Western sanctions had been imposed, hamstringing the development and production of any new high-tech.
Any new Oreschniks will have to be made, essentially, "from scratch."
But insofar as Russia still has plenty of old washing machines and laundry dryers standing around which can be cannibalized for microchips, I don't see a problem.
All they have to due is change the software from, e.g., "tumble dry" to "air-burst."
Regards,
There you go, talking sense again!
Regards,
ZH is reporting the Biden people want to send nuclear weapons to Ukraine.
Those more grounded in reality are, yes. Because many in NATO have convinced themselves that all Russian hardware doesn’t work (which they should have gotten a clue about when Kornets and Konkurs missiles started shredding front-line NATO tanks - Turkish ex-Bundeswehr Leopard 2A4s and 2A5s - in Syria due to their lack of APS) and that anything else is a fluke.
Unfortunately, there’s signs that the people really in charge haven’t gotten the message yet.
Russia does have their own silicon fabs - they’re not up to fully modern processors and chips, but they can reliably churn out 65nm chips.
Thing is, that means they can natively produce circa 2007 consumer grade CPUs, like the PlayStation 3’s Cell processor or the Sun UltraSPARC T2. That’s not exactly the slowest and most incapable class of processors, and used in parallel, probably easily able to drive a hypersonic with capability to spare. And that’s what they can produce on their own resources.
Worth noting that without imports, there is NO US fab that can make anything better than 14nm in quantity. And even at that, we rely on imported supplies to make those. While 14nm is a huge leap over 65nm, it’s not great when we can’t even make those without importing supplies. We can make better chips - if our imported supply chain is not disrupted... and right now, Raytheon and others are telling us that while they would love to make money off all the missiles being sent to Ukraine, they’re simply not able to make replacements due to the ongoing chip shortage.
First of all, Putin should never have invaded Ukraine. Poor choice on his part.
However, I think you’re making one key mistake that I see many talking heads doing. The mistake is this comment:
‘Putin is not suicidal. He knows that if he launches nuclear weapons at a NATO country, Russia gets it in return.’
It is a key mistake partly because (I) it is the truth and partly because (II) it ignores the main issue.
It is true that Russia will not launch a nuclear weapon on a NATO country, because doing so would invite similar retaliation. In the same manner that the West would not launch a nuclear weapon at Russia, because doing so would invite retaliation. That is 100% the case.
The second problem is the key one - who is talking about nuclear attacks on NATO countries? Putin? Yes, but that is bluster. As you mentioned, correctly, he is not suicidal.
By why is no one talking about Ukraine!?!?!?
Ukraine would be the target. Ukraine:
1. Is not a NATO country, and thus would not invite a nuclear response if Russia used a nuclear weapon.
2. There is no nuclear-armed NATO country that would risk its own population in a nuclear exchange BECAUSE OF Ukraine. I am sorry, but that is not happening. Biden, even in his stupor, would not risk Americans (even Republicans) for Ukrainians. Nor would the Brits,or the French. Do they want Ukraine to win? Yes. Do they want Ukraine to win so bad that they are willing to risk nuclear war? Absolutely not, and the proof can be seen in the drip-drip release of weapons to Ukraine.
3. In terms of a nuclear strike on Ukraine, it would likely not even be on a Ukrainian city. What the Russians will most likely do (mark this post) is a nuclear strike on an uninhabited part of Ukraine. A small several-kiloton at most air or ground burst, enough to make NATO think twice.
4. What if NATO escalates after such a strike - then they hit a Ukrainian city.
5. Escalate to de-escalate has been part of Russian doctrine for decades. I know some talking heads like Hodges claim Putin is all bluff, but I strongly believe that pushed hard enough he will use a nuclear device in Ukraine.
…and that, when he does, no nuclear retaliation will happen to Russia because Ukraine is not in NATO.
There’s a reason Zelenskyy wants his country to be part of NATO. There is a reason Western embassies, including the US one, closed for a day last week due to a certain warning (hint: it wasn’t because of the usual threats of air attacks or missiles or drones - they’re used to those and have not closed during the war, but last week several of them closed).
And Putin, who is not suicidal, would never attack a NATO country with a nuclear weapon. If he was to be absolutely insane, he may attack that missile location in Poland, which would be a big mistake.
However, he can absolutely use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine. The only question is whether he would use it on an empty field (mostly likely) or on a city (less likely, as it wouldn’t give Putin any extra benefit than hitting a field, and it would take away the future threat of attacking a city).
NATO countries have little to be afraid of when it comes to Russian nuclear weaponry. Unless Putin has a suicide-pace with Biden, and for all of Biden’s flaws I doubt he would get into one with Putin. Although some days I’m not too sure. NATO has little to worry about from Russia.
Ukraine, on the other hand, will likely get a field nuked if it continues launching ATACMS and Storm Shadows into Russia proper.
You must have ranked pretty high in your class when you graduated Clown School.
What if the Russians use a nuke blast for an EMP attack? Burn out computers and turn off the lights in Kiev. No one killed but computers fried?
Moving THAAD system to Poland will
If Putin is stupid enough to attack any NATO country with any weapon, he will receive the full force of a NATO reply. The Kursk enclave will be the least of Putin’s worries amid his slowly crashing economy. Kaliningrad will be among the first parts of Russia to be taken by Poland. Belarus will quickly collapse.
A NATO response will bring the whole Potemkin village down with a resounding crash. In effect, Russia will cease to exist as a viable nation.
Putin knows all of this, even if pro-Putin FR trolls do not.
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