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Despite Trump’s Win, School Vouchers Were Again Rejected by Majorities of Voters
ProPublica ^ | Nov 9, 2024 | Eli Hager and Jeremy Schwartz

Posted on 11/09/2024 1:49:25 PM PST by where's_the_Outrage?

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In 2018, Arizona voters overwhelmingly rejected school vouchers. On the ballot that year was a measure that would have allowed all parents — even the wealthiest ones — to receive taxpayer money to send their kids to private, typically religious schools.

Arizonans voted no, and it wasn’t close. Even in a right-leaning state, with powerful Republican leaders supporting the initiative, the vote against it was 65% to 35%.

Coming into this week’s election, Donald Trump and Republicans had hoped to reverse that sort of popular opposition to “school choice” with new voucher ballot measures in several states.

But despite Trump’s big win in the presidential race, vouchers were again soundly rejected by significant majorities of Americans. In Kentucky, a ballot initiative that would have allowed public money to go toward private schooling was defeated roughly 65% to 35% — the same margin as in Arizona in 2018 and the inverse of the margin by which Trump won Kentucky. In Nebraska, nearly all 93 counties voted to repeal an existing voucher program; even its reddest county, where 95% of voters supported Trump, said no to vouchers. And in Colorado, voters defeated an effort to add a “right to school choice” to the state constitution, language that might have allowed parents to send their kids to private schools on the public dime.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: concerntrolling; education; fakenews; privateschools; propublica; propubluca; schoolvouchers; taxes; tds; vouchers
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Not sure of the validity of this. If true makes me wonder why the public would continue to prop up the failing school indoctrination system.
1 posted on 11/09/2024 1:49:25 PM PST by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Makes me wonder what kind of lies were spread in ads convincing people to vote no.


2 posted on 11/09/2024 1:54:22 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." — M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

People rightly fear what eould happen to private schools accepting public money. They would no longer be private. Ask Hillsdale College.


3 posted on 11/09/2024 1:55:11 PM PST by Ge0ffrey
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Despite Trump’s Win, School Vouchers Were Again Rejected by Majorities of Voters Teachers' Unions

Fixed it.

4 posted on 11/09/2024 1:57:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

If I’m not mistaken, Arizona ended up passing this anyway through its legislature, and it is in place. Also, Florida and Indiana have created similar universal school choice programs. This is coming to a state near you, even if not by ballot referendum, and it’s a good thing.


5 posted on 11/09/2024 1:58:58 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

My guess is that people perceived it as more government spending


6 posted on 11/09/2024 2:08:04 PM PST by bigbob (Yes. We ARE going back!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power.


Ha!


7 posted on 11/09/2024 2:08:10 PM PST by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: FoxInSocks

Some of those State questions are poorly worded.


8 posted on 11/09/2024 2:10:13 PM PST by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: Ge0ffrey

Bingo!!!!

If the Government is involved it could all go south in a heartbeat.

The nation knows and will hopefully always reject such ill conceived notions.


9 posted on 11/09/2024 2:13:29 PM PST by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: FoxInSocks
Percentage difference: While not providing an exact figure, one political scientist noted that depending on the type of election (presidential, non-presidential, or state and local races), roll-off rates can range anywhere from 5% to 20-25% (from perplexity.ai)

A lot of people who vote for president or governor do not bother with down ballot races. But all the public school teachers and school admins do. That could account for much of the difference. School choice (ESA) works well here in Arizona.
10 posted on 11/09/2024 2:15:03 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: FoxInSocks

“Makes me wonder what kind of lies were spread in ads convincing people to vote no.”

They’re VERY SMART: They go into Deep Red areas and effectively say: “Vouchers will allow ‘those yucky people’ into your ‘precious’ public schools, now you don’t want that, do you?”

It does work, which is why these decisions shouldn’t be decided in referendums (as regular people don’t have time to study the issues, and thus are vulnerable to propaganda).


11 posted on 11/09/2024 2:15:18 PM PST by BobL
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
The only real way out of the education hole across America is a voucher system.


12 posted on 11/09/2024 2:21:22 PM PST by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Youd’ have to know how the question and how the issue was campaigned upon in order to understand why it may have been rejected.

It will be progress if Trump simply closes the federal end of the bureaucracy.


13 posted on 11/09/2024 2:26:31 PM PST by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

People without kids don’t care. There are a lot of them. And good schools were always seen as good for property prices. Now nobody young can afford a home, so they don’t care either.


14 posted on 11/09/2024 2:31:24 PM PST by HYPOCRACY (Democracy is dead. Long live the Republic!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Sounds like a good explanation, just like school taxes here in Delaware voted on in school buildings only, not fire houses, churches, etc. The biggest homefield advantage tou could ever devise


15 posted on 11/09/2024 2:36:24 PM PST by sopo
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

I don’t know the details of the proposal but I would think there would be some concern that there would not be enough classrooms to accommodate all the kids who want to leave public school. Did they have a plan for how to roll it out? I’d say start with the students at the worst performing schools, let them get vouchers first. Then roll it out over several years, with means testing based on income, then open it up to everyone. Give the market some time to build out alternative schools. Give the existing schools some time to restructure and teachers time to maybe form their own schools where they are equity participants.


16 posted on 11/09/2024 2:42:16 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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I would think there would be some concern that there would not be enough classrooms to accommodate all the kids who want to leave public school.

Schools sprang up in Arizona overnight, for all sorts of crazy niches. Some for STEM, some for autism, some for athletics, some for non-scholar kid who nonetheless doesn't need to be around drugs/gangs, some for classical education. All you need is a storefront, some bodies, and possibly computers.
17 posted on 11/09/2024 3:02:34 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: FoxInSocks

Difficult to understand that mind set.
I sure there are exceptions.
But, the best thing you can do for your children and the future of the country is to get your children out of public schools.


18 posted on 11/09/2024 3:04:29 PM PST by sjmjax
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

A true limited-government conservative would reject the school voucher idea.

School vouchers only invite government intrusion into private schools.


19 posted on 11/09/2024 3:24:43 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well you need a little more than that. Some rest/play areas, some place to eat, maybe in some cases serve food. Depends on the age and needs of the kids. But if it were me i wouldn’t be so doctrinaire about it. There is no reason a kid couldn’t go to two or three schools on some sort of staggered schedule. No reason it can’t upen at sunup and close at 9 pm. Many ways to do it. As a senior in high school I ended up taking classes at the community college in the evening. I was going to go to university anyway so I thought I’d try to get some credits. I took a math class because that was one area I knew I was a little behind.


20 posted on 11/09/2024 3:30:06 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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