Trump way ahead of Harris among Utah voters in presidential race (Mormon vote is coming home)

https://www.ksl.com ^ | Oct 28, 2024 | By Suzanne Bates, Deseret News

[11th_VA]

SALT LAKE CITY — As Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump are traveling to swing states across the country to make their final pitch to voters, the race in Utah is all but decided.

A new Deseret News/Hinckley Institute of Politics poll conducted by HarrisX shows Trump is polling 30 percentage points ahead of Harris among Utah voters, with just over a week to go before Election Day.

The poll shows Trump with 61% support among Utah voters, compared to 30% for Harris. Another 2% say they'll vote for independent candidate Cornel West, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein garners 1% support, and 6% of voters say they're unsure.

When including which way undecided voters are leaning, Trump's support among Utah voters increases to 63%, Harris' to 31%, West to 4%, and Stein to 2%.

Jason Perry, director of the Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah, said Trump is seeing more success this year in Utah than in past presidential elections.

"Donald Trump currently holds a strong position in Utah's presidential race, polling at 61%," he said. "Over recent election cycles, his support among Utah voters has grown, with his share increasing from 46% in 2016 to 58% in 2020. As the election approaches, he appears to once again be in a strong position in the Beehive State."

The poll was conducted by HarrisX Interactive Oct. 15-19, among 813 registered Utah voters. It has a margin of error of +/- 3.4 percentage points.

[11th_VA]

46% in 2016 to 61% in 2024; that’s the Mormon vote and he’s taking AZ and NV as well … is NM in play ??

[Degaston]

The push by Harris and her allies to make Partial Birth Abortion legal on demand in all 50 States is not a big selling pitch to Mormons.

It might cost her the Election, depending on the level of margin in Wisconsin & Pennsylvania + overall national margin, with the Amish as they are starting to vote in massive numbers & the Democrats don’t stand a chance at getting over 5% of the practicing Amish as long as they continue to support Abortion. The Mormons are more open to bloodshed, i.e., capital punishment, abortion, and wars, than the Amish. With the Amish their position is pretty uncompromising/flexible.

[Degaston]

There aren’t enough Mormons in New Mexico to make a material difference in the Presidential race. But in Arizona/Nevada its about 4% of the voting population that are active Mormons and a shift of 3% in Utah’s overall population where active Mormons make up about 48% of the population ought to shift it about 0.25% from Biden/Harris -> Trump. So, if it’s 49.4% Harris 49.0% Trump (without this shift) then it would be 49.25% Trump 49.15% Harris (with this shift).

[monkeyshine]

I don’t know much about Mormon religion or culture but aren’t they doctrinally very pro-America? Something about Native Americans being descended from the Israelites and America divinely founded specifically to allow their religious freedom. If I’m right they should shun people who suppress freedoms and disparage religion in general.

[11th_VA]

Well, Mitt Romney has a big influence, or has had in the past. I think the extreme lack of morals in society today, attributable to Harris/Biden has given pause to even the most devoted Romney supporters.

[Degaston]

IMO the Mormon vote hasn’t shifted. What you are seeing is a National Shift. Go back and look at the 2020 results & compare the present & I think you’ll see around 3% shift.

Personally, I have never really believed that it’s credible that enough vote totals in enough States were shifted by fraud in the 2020 Election to make a material difference. However, the truth on this has never been proven either way because our systems are so sloppily managed.

Will that 3% shift materialize in the results this year? I think quite likely because (a) it looks real, (b) though the systems are still sloppily managed they are under much more scrutiny in the Swing States & those desiring to cheat ought to be feeling very scared & this deterrent should hopefully prevent them from doing anything stupid. However, where I see them focusing is more on the House/Senate races. In Texas I think the sloppy conditions still exist & I could see potential for some cheating happen on behalf of Allred in the Senate race + some close House races & then they’d try the Jamie Raskin games to try to undermine the Election results.

If a shift of 3% does happen from Biden/Harris -> Trump then this means that anything under 6% margin in 2020 should comfortably flip all 6 Swing States that Biden won in 2020.

In the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election, six states had margins of victory for Joe Biden over Donald Trump that were less than 7%. These states were:

Georgia: Biden won by 0.2%.
Arizona: Biden won by 0.3%.
Wisconsin: Biden won by 0.6%.
Pennsylvania: Biden won by 1.2%.
Nevada: Biden won by 2.4%.
Michigan: Biden won by 2.8%.

[monkeyshine]

Yeah he’s a strange guy. I get he’s rich and probably buys a lot of influence and favors over the years. But it’s odd to me that someone can be the Governor of MA and then the Senator for UT. I get the politics of it. But the carpetbagging from high office to high office just doesn’t seem very American. And sure there have been carpetbaggers before - but from Gov of one state to Senator of another? Just odd. To me.

[SaveFerris]

DEMOCRAT DEMONCRAT Kamala Harris is possessed by the spirit of antichrist.

Now, for emphasis:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4271923/posts

When someone shouted “Jesus is Lord”
at a Kamala Harris rally, she responded
by saying “you guys are at the wrong rally”

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1 John 4:2-3
King James Version

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist
, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

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Kamala Harris is an Unrepentant Godless Reprobate.

Yeah, Kamala Harris is now OPENLY working for Satan.

[Kamala Harris Wants To Force Christian Hospitals To Perform Abortions Against Their Will]

Lord please deliver us from this willing tool of the Devil and Satan.

Do NO harm Christians but pray, pray, pray!!!

[SaveFerris]

[monkeyshine]

The mass mailing of ballots “due to Covid” makes 2020 an anomaly. The most votes ever were cast. Trump got the most votes ever in history, except for Biden. Trump got 6 million more votes than Obama in 2008 and 10 million more than Hillary in 2016. It’s incomparable. Cheating questions aside, it was unprecedented. We’ll see how things shake out for 2024.

[kiryandil]

The Obama 2008 Vote Fraud Detection tool will show you what you need to know.

"votes" are shifted to where they are needed*.

That's what crushed the Red Wave in 2022.

*"votes" cost money.

[Governor Dinwiddie]

Dog bites man is not a story.

Man bites dog is a story.

It is no surprise that LDS Utah is on President Trump's team. I would be totally shocked otherwise.

[monkeyshine]

* I know Obama campaign had a lot of questionable credit card donations

[kiryandil]

The Rosetta Stone of the Obama 2008 Vote Fraud Detection tool:

Missouri, 2008-2012

0bama 2008      McStain 2008    total 2008        
1,442,180	1,445,812	2,924,218
difference of 3,632 "votes"
				
0bama 2012      Dumbney 2012    total 2012
1,223,796	1,482,440	2,757,323
difference of 218,384 votes					

[note: Missouri couldn't be voted "straight ticket" during those years]

Now, just where in the heck did those 220,000 Missouri Democrat "voters" disappear to?    

Something similar went on in Florida in 2018-2022, to the tune of 900,000 disappearing Democrat "voters".

[kiryandil]

My bad.

0bama lost in 2008 by 3,632 “votes”.

In 2012, the difference between the 2008 “votes” for 0bama and the 2012 votes for 0bama was 218,384.

[Dan in Wichita]

The push by Harris and her allies to make Partial Birth Abortion legal on demand in all 50 States...

Harris and her allies are trying to FORCE Partial Birth abortion on all 50 states. She will not allow any opt outs for any reason.

[Elsie]

Mormon vote is coming home

Well, it shows that not ALL Utahans believe the words that come out of a single persons mouth.

"I Will Be a Second Mohammed"

In the heat of the Missouri 'Mormon War' of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,

           "I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was "the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword". So shall it eventually be with us: "Joseph Smith or the Sword!" [1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking and troubling parallels. Consider the following.

• Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

• Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

• Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new spin.   In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters, but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to 'correct' the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the 'Inspired Version'  in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is 'correcting' it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

• As a part of their new scriptural 'spin', both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible by name.

• Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. "I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book." [3]

• Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet's own superior revelation.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered 'infidels', pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

• Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed's followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Ali ibn Abi lib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

• Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet." [4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230-231. Fawn Brodie's footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57-59, 97-129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8-9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6-7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408-409.

[Elsie]

Speaking of being at the wrong rally...

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

-- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

-- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.   If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

-- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

-- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

-- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

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"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation—the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion."

Brigham Young, October 9, 1859
Intelligence, Etc.
Remarks by President BRIGHAM YOUNG, delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859.
Reported by G. D. Watt
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p.282-91

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

Brigham Young,    --JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8 p. 224

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God is my “right hand man.”[8]

(Joseph Smith, in a letter to James Arlington Bennett on November 13, 1843, History of the Church, (Deseret Book, 1975), vol. 6, p. 78.)

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"God made Aaron to be the mouth piece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don’t like it, you must lump it."

Joseph Smith at the LDS Conference on April 8, 1844, History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 319-320.

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"God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter- day Saints never ran away from me yet."

Joseph Smith, Sunday, May 26, 1844 History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408-9.

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 "We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.”

— Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48

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“As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.”

Lorenzo Snow, Mormon Prophet and president

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"The day will come—and it is not far distant, either—when the name of the Prophet Joseph Smith will be coupled with the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of God, as his representative, as his agent whom he chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God."[5]

Joseph F. Smith, sixth president of the LDS Church, Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. [1939], p. 134; as quoted in “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” Ensign, (Dec. 2003): p. 17.

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“Thus those who gain eternal life receive exaltation. . . They are gods.”

 (LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pg. 237).

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“We stand in reverence before him [Joseph Smith]. He is the great prophet of this dispensation. He stands at the head of this great and mighty work which is spreading across the earth. He is our prophet, our revelator, our seer, our friend. Let us not forget him. Let not his memory be forgotten in the celebration of Christmas. God be thanked for the Prophet Joseph”

(Gordon B. Hinckley, the fifteenth president of the LDS Church, Ensign article entitled “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” December 2003)

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My brothers and sisters, in this bicentennial year of his birth, I should like to speak of our beloved Prophet Joseph Smith. . . . In the 135th section of the Doctrine and Covenants we read the words of John Taylor concerning the Prophet Joseph: “Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it.” [D&C 135: 3]

(Thomas S. Monson, counselor to President Gordon B. Hinckley, the semi-annual LDS Conference in Salt Lake City, 2005)

[rdcbn1]

Mormons are very entrepreneurial and a huge number of Mormons own small businesses.

In places like Mesa, Arizona the Mormon business model for small blue collar business owners has been exploitation of cheap illegal alien labor.

As a result, Az Mormons were strong open border proponents and they were strongly opposed to Trumps border polices.

They are shifting because massive illegal immigration under Biden is destroying communities Mormons live in. The schools in Mormon dominated communities were absolutely top tier until about 10-15 years ago when DEI polices and illegal immigration began to erode the system.

It's also destroying the Mormon business model because Mormon owned small businesses are getting hit hard by competition from illegal aliens who can undercut them by starting their own companies in the underground economy created by our two tier above ground and underground economies

[Crusher138]

My son married a Mormon girl. I am now blessed with dozens of Mormon in-laws.

They, almost to a person, dislike Trump.

They also can’t stand Kamala.

I would guess that most of them aren’t going to vote. They don’t want to be seen as supporting some so sinful (their words).

I voted for Trump because he did a decent job before and I think he will do so again. Not a fan of his personality, but this is not a Class President election. I’m not voting for the popular kid.