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US govt hiding top hurricane forecast model sparks outrage after deadly Helene
The Register ^ | 01 Oct 2024 | iconThomas Claburn

Posted on 10/06/2024 3:06:15 AM PDT by blueplum

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) cannot reveal weather forecasts from a particularly accurate hurricane prediction model to the public that pays for the American government agency – because of a deal with a private insurance risk firm.

The model at issue is called the Hurricane Forecast Improvement Program (HFIP) Corrected Consensus Approach (HCCA). In 2023, it was deemed in a National Hurricane Center (NHC) report [PDF] to be one of the two "best performers," the other being a model called IVCN (Intensity Variable Consensus).

A 2020 contract between NOAA and RenaissanceRe Risk Sciences, disclosed in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by The Washington Post, requires NOAA to keep HCCA forecasts ....

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: forecasts; governmentforsale; helene; hfip; hurricanes; insurance; muchado; noaa; renaissancere; weather; weatherforcasting
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1 posted on 10/06/2024 3:06:15 AM PDT by blueplum
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There was a budget shut down with no CFO for a month or two during the Obama years, and they cut back a lot of stuff and ended some services during the standoff.

One of the things they cut back was the National Weather Service and it was hurricane season...


2 posted on 10/06/2024 3:35:15 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The dawn cracks hard like a bull whip and it ain't taking no lip from the night before" Tom Waits)
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RenaissanceRe Risk Sciences...

Someone needs to take a real good look at that company.


3 posted on 10/06/2024 3:39:22 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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I’ll just throw this in for starters...

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/913144/000091314421000029/ex2112020q4.htm

A table with a list of SUBSIDIARIES OF RENAISSANCERE HOLDINGS LTD.


4 posted on 10/06/2024 3:45:01 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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Well, well, well...

Weather Predict Inc, a Delaware Corporation.
From Xao’s basement?


5 posted on 10/06/2024 3:49:36 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (When I say "We" I speak of, -not for-, "We the People")
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And 4 more in the next 4 days, all Red States, FL at the heart. Kirk and Milton first. So NO VOTING FOR SURVIVORS.


6 posted on 10/06/2024 4:01:03 AM PDT by GailA (kamalaczar and herr waltz want to turn America into a commie country. Vote Trump.)
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The only one that seems to be a threat to US land is Milton. Kirk is heading east, towards Europe. Leslie is already too far north to pose a danger (and seems to be weakening as well).


7 posted on 10/06/2024 4:18:22 AM PDT by Blennos ( Byaasearepeat itnbelow.)
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To: GailA

And 4 more in the next 4 days, all Red States, FL at the heart. Kirk and Milton first. So NO VOTING FOR SURVIVORS.
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I’m no meteorologist but all eyes are now on Milton with a NOAA expected track into Tampa mid-week. I see a front coming down from the north which seems to be steering it easterly and I’m thinking it may push the Florida crossover path more south of Tampa. It will likely traverse Florida somewhere, going out into the Atlantic -— and then??


8 posted on 10/06/2024 4:31:34 AM PDT by iontheball
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The further south of Tampa, the better. At least for this FReeper.


9 posted on 10/06/2024 4:36:00 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (What is the cost of lies?)
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All the model tracks get real close together 2-3 days out...one more “spaghetti track” model isn’t going to make a big difference...see:

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/14L_tracks_latest.png


10 posted on 10/06/2024 5:06:33 AM PDT by Drago
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The federal government hiding hurricane forecast model... Who gives a shxt? These models are part of the global warming, climate change crap that used only to funnel money for the crap they want.

I see weather forecasting and predictions that wrong every day. These idiots couldn’t get yesterday’s weather right.


11 posted on 10/06/2024 5:22:11 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: Blennos
Milton to hit closer to shore than Helena did....also not as broad so winds etc. much stronger as it's tighter...They’re advising people put up storm shutters for sure on east and west coast. Florida already declared state of emergency.
12 posted on 10/06/2024 5:22:40 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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So NOAA uses the Renaissance model when it creates the National Hurricane Center forecast, it just doesn’t release the Renaissance model as a stand alone product, but it will start doing so next year?

We have war crimes level human suffering happening, made far worse by the Biden/Harris Regime, and somebody wants to complain because hurricane nerds only get to look at 35, and not 36, or whatever number, spaghetti strings on an all models forecast? Until next year.

13 posted on 10/06/2024 5:31:38 AM PDT by Pilsner
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If someone is dead they will not be able see if they voted or not???


14 posted on 10/06/2024 5:33:36 AM PDT by bray (It's not racist to be racist against races the DNC hates.)
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I have a sister in Jupiter, Fl: on the east coast parallel lake Okeechobee. I’m hoping this storm will track north, taking it away from her, but some of the models are showing it drifting further south. We don’t need this at this point.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/#14L


15 posted on 10/06/2024 5:50:05 AM PDT by Blennos ( Byaasearepeat itnbelow.)
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To: blueplum

In Florida, homeowners policies are not issued and real estate closings are postponed if a storm might hit.


16 posted on 10/06/2024 5:50:10 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (Kamala: "understand that some people need more, so we all end up in the same place, right?”)
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There is going to be some uncertainty until a storm arrives.

What insurers want is to collect big premiums and pay out nothing. Unfortunately, hurricanes are weather and the need to pay might arise.

What the reinsurers might want to know is the area of best premium/risk ratio.

What is probably a better business strategy is to focus on individual property premium/risk ratios.

Once a storm is on its way, the insurer betting window is closed.


17 posted on 10/06/2024 6:02:42 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (Kamala: "understand that some people need more, so we all end up in the same place, right?”)
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The NHC forecasts for days had the area south of the mountains getting about a foot of rain.

They got considerably more and from what I’ve read it might have been at a time when people might not have been awake, on the watch, and able to flee to safety.

In my youth, as I recollect, there were nuclear attack sirens that could be sounded.


18 posted on 10/06/2024 6:10:00 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (Kamala: "understand that some people need more, so we all end up in the same place, right?”)
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This is so that insurance companies would have time to cancel policies in the advent of a heavy damage predicted storm?


19 posted on 10/06/2024 6:12:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Top Secret forecast model?

Haha, you can’t hide a satellite image in real time.

Models are just that, prediction forecasts, storms have a life of their own, wobble, wobble, you can see a storm coming from space!


20 posted on 10/06/2024 6:55:03 AM PDT by baclava
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