Posted on 09/24/2024 7:47:47 AM PDT by george76
Electric cars are up to twice as expensive as petrol or diesel vehicles to run...
Running an electric vehicle (EV) can cost more than 24p per mile, while a diesel vehicle is 12.5p .. 80p per kilowatt hour ...
A typical electric car will travel 3.3 miles for every kWh of electricity used, meaning rapid and ultra-rapid chargers currently cost the equivalent of 24.1p per mile.
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This is about double the average diesel car, which will do 43 miles per gallon, resulting in a cost of 12.5p per mile at current prices. A typical petrol car costs 14.5p per mile,...
A return journey from London to Penzance would cost £148 in an electric car using rapid chargers .. compared with £77 in a diesel car and £89 using petrol.
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prices at rapid chargers have increased by 5 per cent over the past year, despite a 30 per cent decrease in the wholesale cost of electricity.
This has coincided with a fall in the price of oil.
Even drivers who choose slower public chargers – the threshold is 50 Wh of power, allowing a full recharge in around 30 minutes – are paying more per mile than petrol and diesel drivers.
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recent figures show sales of electric cars have significantly slowed.
They account for 17.2 per cent of all new registrations since the beginning of 2024. This marks a decrease from the 18.7 per cent high in the latter half of 2022.
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rapid and ultra-rapid chargers currently cost electric car drivers the equivalent of 24.1p per mile, while slower chargers cost the equivalent of 16.4p per mile.
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Sales of electric cars in Europe are performing even worse than in the UK, with figures showing registrations were down by 44 per cent in August.
(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...
“EV owners can fill up at home while sleeping.”
Can they? Ever try running a power cord out of a 10 story apartment window?
On average they wear tires out 30% faster, shedding pollutants as they go. Many bridges and all guardrails will have to be rebuilt if trucks, buses etc. go electric.
Conflict of interest/self dealing is always relevant to any discussion.
I didn’t know they still measured things in miles and gallons in UK and Europe.
“Conflict of interest/self dealing is always relevant to any discussion.”
Apparently you can’t deal with facts so you resorts to personal attacks.
Why would anyone pay double for a car that is half as good as a gas car?
Unless you can point me to a specific article contradicting what I have ALREADY READ, please keep your smart a*s comments to yourself.
Thank you..
“Can they?” Yes.
Yahoo wants to attack Elon Musk for endorsing Trump. That’s more important to them at the moment. After the election’s over, Yahoo will return to promoting electric cars.
“Unless you can point me to a specific article contradicting what I have ALREADY READ, please keep your smart a*s comments to yourself.”
Please keep your smart a*s comments to yourself.
Manufacturers are continuously improving EV tires with new rubber compounds and better tread patterns to extend mileage between tire changes. These advancements come with limited warranties. For example, Bridgestone Turanza EV tires are excellent all-season options that offer a limited warranty of up to 50,000 miles. See dealer for limited warranty details.
Goodyear’s Chief Technology Officer, Chris Helsel, highlights the company’s new ElectricDrive GT2 tires, which are ultra-high-performance all-season tires engineered specifically for the high standards of today’s premium electric vehicles. These tires feature low rolling resistance for better range and are made from 50 percent recyclable materials, offering a 45,000-mile treadwear warranty. See dealer for limited warranty details.
https://www.greencars.com/expert-insights/how-long-do-ev-tires-last
But if we're going to argue against EV's, we should have our facts straight or we wind up sounding as ridiculous as the Dims when they argue their positions. Our EV is financially beneficial for us as our main car because we drive it 15K miles annually from local charging (read: cheap charging at home). We get about 3.6 miles/kWh local driving (that's average throughout the year, more during spring and fall, less during summer and winter when we run the A/C and heater). That also accounts for a 10.6% loss when converting AC to DC while charging at 9.6 kW with our Level 2 chargers.
At about 16 cents per kWh (I know that Alabama Power says they charge 12.62 cents per kWh, but after they add the fuel rate rider per kWh, then the 4% state tax, it comes out to 15.8 to 16.1 cents per kWh). Thus, it costs 4.44 cents per mile, or 300 miles costs $13.33. Since we drive it about 15K miles per year on home charged miles, we're talking $670 to drive 15K miles (assuming I didn't have solar and I had to get all of my power from the grid). Plus avoiding 3 oil changes per year (I change the oil in my gas truck at 5K miles, which is how often I'd change the oil in our car if it was still a gas car.)
So the gas savings and oil change savings are real ... IF...and this is a big IF.... you drive lots of home charged miles. By my math, the extra we pay for tires is balanced by saving on brake jobs. Our EV weighs 10% more than the gas crossover it replaced. After the first year of driving it like we're teenagers with the zippy acceleration and low center of gravity for handling curves, our tire wear seems to have slowed down to what I expected (10% more wear than its gas car predecessor). No brake work needed at least on the first 58K miles we've driven it in the 27 months we've owned it.
Last but not least IMHO is the fact that with an EV I can use solar to energize my local traveling. If I could produce my own gasoline I probably wouldn't have considered an EV. But with my skepticism of government and the warmageddon cult they push with their restrictive energy policies, I'm trying to have my wife and me be a bit more energy self-reliant.
“”EV owners can fill up at home while sleeping.””
Kalifornia has, or will soon, mandate that all EVs have bidirectional charging capability. The People’s Republic of Kalifornia wants to use all the energy stored in all the EVs when the grid needs it. One democRAT creep explained that at night, when most people are charging their EV, the owners are asleep. The government will have access to “all that electricity.” So, you go to sleep, wake up in the morning, and Big Brother decided he “needs” the electricity more than you do.
“”rapid and ultra-rapid chargers””
Fast charging damages the batteries, and shortens the lifespan of the batteries. IF, IF there is a relationship between the ultra fast charging and EV battery fires, the Drive By Media will never publish it.
““Can they?” Yes.”
You’re welcome to drop a cord from a 10 story window, but I wouldn’t, at least in most cities in the US.
Maybe you’re in Japan, though?
a limited warranty of 50k miles means nothing.
What is the actual mileage these tires get through actual use..
And I’ll bet it’s far less than 50k miles..
My Ford Lightning costs $8.77 to charge overnight at home if I went from 0-100%. That will get me around 310 miles of range (50-50 highway-city). In the winter that reduces to around 280. It is the most comfortable and quietest vehicle I have ever owned. No oil changes or tune ups. I drive a lot between Reno and Sacramento and top off at my in laws. It’s like Trump says. They are great cars/trucks but you should not be forced to buy one.
Dumb article. If you assert that an EV gets poor economy AND assume that everyone with them always uses the commercial fast chargers, voila the math goes one way.
A typical newer model gets 3.6 or up, not 3.2. Home electricity is on average $0.164 per kWh in the US. Plug those numbers in and the equation flips.
Now, from cold behavior or range or tire wear it’s fair to count real cost issues, but “gaming” the numbers is foolish. That’s like adding up the cost of coffee assuming people only go to Starbucks and including the price of some pastry in the mix.
“a limited warranty of 50k miles means nothing.”
Your post is false.
‘And I’ll bet it’s far less than 50k miles..”
Bridgestone is betting on 50k+. Bridgestone goes with the data.
You would lose the bet.
The heavier the vehicle, the quicker you will go through tires, brakes, rotors, shocks & springs.
The heavier the vehicle is the more damage it does over time to the roads too. Which is why in some states the vehicle registration is based on the weight of the car/truck.
This is why all northern states have road restrictions in the late winter early spring when the frost is coming out of the ground.
Yet, most states tax the fuel/gallon so that they can raise revenue to maintain their roads. EVs are not paying the highway tax, yet on average do more road damage than the average automobile because their weight.
People can CHOOSE to buy any vehicle they want currently(for now). Although we have seen some European countries make gasoline/diesel vehicles so expensive to operate that is has almost forced people to buy an EV.
We about 12 cents per kWh. I’m sure England is much higher.
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