Posted on 09/13/2024 7:45:36 PM PDT by hardspunned
UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer did not signal any decision on allowing Ukraine to use long-range missiles to hit targets inside Russia after talks with US President Joe Biden in Washington. When asked if he had persuaded Biden to allow Ukraine to fire long-range Storm Shadow missiles into Russia, Sir Keir said they had had "a long and productive discussion on a number of fronts, including Ukraine, as you would expect, the Middle East and the Indo-Pacific". The White House said they also expressed "deep concern about Iran and North Korea's provision of lethal weapons to Russia". Earlier Russian President Vladimir Putin warned Western nations not to let Ukraine fire long-range missiles at Russia.
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You aren’t American, are you?
“You aren’t American, are you?”
Seems to be another one of those warmongering foreigners pretending to be Americans. There are a couple handfuls here.
“You aren’t American, are you?”
He advocates for the US to go to war, directly, with Russia.
Because he does not care what happens to America.
you beat me to it
The Zeepers will not be pleased and neocons who want a wider conflict
It should be the permission of every member of NATO, and I think that Hungary and Turkey might be even more reluctant than what is left of Biden's brain.
I’ll give you odds that this position is temporary. The thing is these missiles have been pretty much ineffective so far. DC will cross this line which will have a negligible effect on the ground but will enlarge the war beyond Ukraine’s borders.
Because Britain is one of our quisling vassal states. Satraps rarely make a move without the OK from their foreign masters.
Russian soldiers and airmen are people just like us. They have hopes and dreams and families to return to. So yeah, some of us are just as much concerned for them as for anyone else. Most importantly, as Americans, they are not OUR enemy.
Agreed and this point should be made regularly. We are being forced to fund and assist in a war against them by the corrupt cabal that run Biden.
I have theorized here that as long as the current regime is hell bent on continuing the war there and Putin shows no indication of pulling out, that we are at greater risk of a larger war by not changing the way we are aiding the Ukes. Im not certain what we should do differently but what we are doing there now with slow and sloppy incremental steps upward seems certain to fail and put us all at great risk both.
The whole facade falls apart when one recognizes the unemployed Boris Johnson was little more than Washington's errand boy, and Ukraine is little more than a client state.
Actually, there is no such thing as a NATO army, navy, air force or marine corps. When the armed forces of a member nation volunteer to fight in a forever war, they remain the armed forces of their nation. The USAF would act in support of a NATO mission, but it would so as the USAF, not being transformed into some international force.
Article 5“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”
Each nation decides for itself what action it deems necessary. There is no collective vote which binds any sovereign member nation to do anything.
https://shape.nato.int/page11283634/knowing-nato/episodes/the-power-of-natos-military
The Power of NATOThe North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) is known throughout the globe as the world's strongest and most powerful Alliance; but where does NATO's power come from? Does the organisation have its own military forces or NATO troops? Simply put, no and yes. The Alliance counts on the military might of its 30 Allied and partner nations to support missions and operations around the world. NATO doesn't have its own armed forces, but it has a permanent, integrated military command structure, comprised of both military and civilian personnel, from all member states. These staffs work collectively to achieve the same objectives.
While we may not have a NATO military, the Alliance benefits from being able to count on the military capabilities and expertise of each member country. Every nation brings something to the table including personnel, but also tanks, submarines even fighter jets.
One NATO member being attacked does not require any other member to commit boots on the ground support in defense of the attacked member. Each NATO member decides for itself what action it deems necessary.
It is useful in the case of alleged war crimes, for example the bombing of the former Yugoslavia. Approval for such action failed in the UN Security Council. The NATO members did not do it, it was a collective NATO operation. NATO did not do it, they have no armed forces. Life is grand.
Think of it like the military orders to take the Swine Flu shot. The order came from the Executive Officer. If, as a side effect, you were crippled, the XO was not responsible; all he did was give an order based on the best medical advice available to him. The Medical Officer was not responsible; he did not order anyone to do anything. All he did was render his best medical opinion. The buck ends nowhere.
Because Britain is one of our quisling vassal states. Satraps rarely make a move without the OK from their foreign masters.
That is sort of reality, but the US and the UK deny being parties to the conflict. The actions contradict the official fairy tale. This is Washington's proxy war, Ukraine is our client state. The fairy tale is belied by the very apparent chain of command.
An act of war does not create a state of war. A state of war results when the offended nation takes some official action making clear that it considers itself to be in a state of war; for example, for legal purposes Lincoln's declaration of a blockade was found to be the start of the American civil war. Russia desires to avoid a war with NATO, so it has shunned numerous opportunities to consider itself at war with one or more NATO members. Russia has also announced a red line which, if crossed, may change that assessment and result in a state of war.
True, the UK is our poodle, but there is also another reason.
Storm Shadows contain American parts. Therefore, our permission to supply to a third country is required, and in the case of Ukraine, we get the final say on where and how they are used.
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