Winston Churchill (1874-1965) gives his famous V-sign as he opens the new headquarters of 615 (County of Surrey) Squadron of the RAAF (Royal Auxiliary Air Force) at Croydon, 1948. | Central Press/Hulton Archive/Getty ImagesPosted on 09/13/2024 6:56:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
A prominent historian of World War II and the life of Winston Churchill recently criticized the "popular historian" who has taken flak for telling Tucker Carlson that the former British prime minister was a psychopathic villain.
Darryl Cooper — whom the former Fox News host described as maybe "the best and most honest popular historian in the United States" during their two-hour interview earlier this month — suggested that Churchill was "the chief villain of the Second World War," guilty of "rank terrorism" and "primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of Poland."
During an appearance earlier this week on "Piers Morgan Uncensored," Cambridge-trained historian Andrew Roberts dismissed "MartyrMade" podcast host Cooper as a "low-rate historian" who mischaracterized the nature of the global conflict and made multiple false accusations against Churchill.
Roberts, who is a member of the British House of Lords and author of the 2018 biography Churchill: Walking with Destiny, told Morgan he had never heard of Cooper before the interview with Carlson and pushed back against some of his claims, asserting that Cooper lodged "eight or nine major accusations against Churchill, none of which were true."Winston Churchill (1874-1965) gives his famous V-sign as he opens the new headquarters of 615 (County of Surrey) Squadron of the RAAF (Royal Auxiliary Air Force) at Croydon, 1948. | Central Press/Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Roberts took particular issue with Cooper's allegation that Churchill was thirsty for war and wanted to escalate the conflict, and dismissed as "complete rubbish" Cooper's claim that Churchill engaged in "rank terrorism" by bombing the Black Forest.
The Winston Churchill Project at Hillsdale College also released an in-depth explanation critical of Cooper's characterization regarding the Black Forest.
Morgan and Roberts also brought up that Cooper never mentioned the Holocaust during the interview.
Podcaster Dave Smith and Babylon Bee CEO Seth Dillion later joined the segment with Morgan and Roberts to discuss the controversy.
Dillon, who is a Christian and ethnically Jewish, slammed Cooper as a "Hitler apologist," and noted that he got into a spat with Carlson over his public denunciation of the interview.
Roberts also appeared in an interview with The Spectator, during which he trashed Cooper's claims as "classic conspiracy theory, and pretty nutty." He also penned an op-ed for The Washington Free Beacon on Sept. 6 reiterating his objections.
Speaking to Tucker Carlson, Historian Darryl Cooper claimed Winston Churchill was the 'chief villain' of the Second World War. Historian Andrew Roberts tells The Spectator's editor Fraser Nelson why the accusation is baseless.@TuckerCarlson | @aroberts_andrewpic.twitter.com/vySRCc4hNe— The Spectator (@spectator) September 12, 2024
Cooper's interview drew criticism from across the political spectrum, including the White House.
Senior deputy press secretary Andrew Bates told CNN that "giving a microphone to a Holocaust denier who spreads Nazi propaganda is a disgusting and sadistic insult to all Americans, to the memory of the over 6 million Jews who were genocidally murdered by Adolf Hitler, to the service of the millions of Americans who fought to defeat Nazism, and to every subsequent victim of Antisemitism."
X CEO Elon Musk at first retweeted the video and wrote, "Very interesting. Worth watching," though he later deleted his tweet and admitted he had not watched the entire interview before reposting it.
The campaign of GOP vice presidential nominee Sen. J.D. Vance, R-Ohio, — who is slated to appear with Carlson during his month-long national tour on Sept. 21 — distanced himself from Cooper, saying he "obviously does not share the views of the guest interviewed by Tucker Carlson," but that he also "doesn't believe in guilt-by-association cancel culture," according to The New York Times.
All 24 Democratic Jewish members of the U.S. House of Representatives also signed onto a statement denouncing Carlson for hosting Cooper, according to Axios.
Carlson has raised eyebrows in recent months for some of his guests on his X platform, including disgraced actor Kevin Spacey and Munther Isaac, a Palestinian pastor who has been accused of being sympathetic to Hamas and the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks in which an estimated 1,163 people were slaughtered.
Normally, Tucker Carlson hits it on the mark, but this time he made a mistake interviewing Darryl Cooper.
The best and most honest popular historian in the United States is Victor Davis Hanson, affectionately known as VDH on this board. I had never heard of the other guy until I read the posts on FR about the interview.
My favorite part of this article is the part where the author and the historian explain specifically what Cooper got wrong.
BTTT
"He turned over to the Soviet command the Cossack corps of 90,000 men. Along with them, he also handed over many wagonloads of old people, women and children who did not want to return to their native Cossack rivers. This great hero, monuments to whom will in time cover all England, ordered that they, too, be surrendered to their deaths."
The man who led and supervised the entire operation was Major Davies.
To be clear Winston Churchill had some real oddities as some of it stems back to his early Military career and how he was set upon by Military leaders and politicians of that era. But England during this period had a real love affair with Hitler as many of the Royals were followers of him.
Incidents like this show that Carlson would benefit from some guardrails around the topics he covers that would come from him being part of institutional media again. This isn’t the first time he’s shown support for someone he shouldn’t have (Andrew Tate).
Raises eyebrows. That’s all. It’s election time and Tucker doesn’t want you to forget he’s out there. There are only so many subjects to talk about. A 24 hour news cycle means journalists have to make things up.
In homeschool I was spoonfed the writings of Churchill. Then force-fed. Then waterboarded with his History of the English-Speaking Peoples. Somehow I ended up with a deep love of history and English.
He was dealt a hand, and he played it as best he could (with the glaring exception of Gallipoli). His place in history is lofty and secure. Show me another arrogant, cigar-chomping lush on his level.
I like Tucker but lately he’s fraying at the edges, just a bit.
Ok. Lots of opinions out there.
What is that show on NPR that the left loves so much - “All things Considered”? It seems news shows should cover a wide array of news and views - left, right, whatever instead of the hard left propaganda. Throw it all out there and let the people decide for themselves.
You know, not many people knew about it, but the Fuhrer vas a terrific dancer.
Really, I never dreamed ...
That's because you were taken in by that verdampter Allied propaganda.
Such filthy lies they told. Lies!
But nobody said a bad vord about Winston Churchill, did they?
Oh no, Vin Vit Vinnie! (he gestures V for victory)
Churchill...
...vit his cigars and his brandy and his rotten paintings. Rotten!
Hitler. Zere was a painter. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon.
TWO COATS!
Churchill. Couldn't even say Nazi.
He would say Narzis, Narzis.
Ve vere not Narzies, ve vere Nazis.
Churchill!
But let me tell this...and you're getting it straight from the horse, Hitler vas better looking than Churchill, he vas a better dresser than Churchill, had more hair, told funnier jokes, and could dance the pants off Churchill!
I will say this about England, Americans should be angry over the many wars that the British Empire pulled us into a cut them off. They are a parasitic ally and have done nothing for this country except lose a war to America in 1783.
Cooper is mostly erroneous but he’s being piled on
He’s like a kid who’s discovered new facts but doesn’t get the big picture
His knowledge is based on who he has read
I’m ambivalent he’s good on a lot of stuff
And he’s sure not the first proto righty to disparage Churchill
Churchill would have done anything to get us in the war
He had to
Cooper reminds me Mercurious in some ways
If I had a big podcast imagine the heat I’d take
Did you watch the interview?
There is no way this guy was a “Hitler apologist”.
Concur, especially the part about VDH.
In fact, I would love to see VDH comment on this interview, but it doesn’t seem like the sort of thing he would get involved in.
After Churchill was sacked in WWI because of Gallipoli, he volunteered to go serve on the front lines with The 6th Royal Scots Fusiliers.
https://www.scottishmilitarydisasters.com/index.php/titles-sp-26803/66-churchill-in-the-trenches
Cooper could have made his case without dragging Churchill into it.
A Freeper that advocates for corporate and government control of reporting and media, how sad.
And just what government control do you want on this forum, censorious one?
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