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Kyiv presses allies to end limits on long-range missile use
BBC ^ | Sep 11, 2024 | James Landale and Robert Plummer

Posted on 09/11/2024 5:35:43 AM PDT by McGruff

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy have arrived in Kyiv on a joint visit as Ukraine continues to press for the right to use US and British long-range missiles against Russia.

Earlier, US President Joe Biden said his administration was "working" on whether to lift the restrictions.

The policy will come under further scrutiny when UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer meets Biden at the White House on Friday.

At the moment, the US and UK have not given Ukraine permission to use long-range missiles against targets inside Russia for fear of escalation.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: escalation; foreigntrolls; killkillkillforpeace; mic; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; warmongeringzeepers; welfarewar; zeepersencouraged

1 posted on 09/11/2024 5:35:43 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff
Well, they can't pay the unfunded liabilities and they'll need a great distraction for Hunter's coming pardon.

The missiles are flying!

Hallelujah!

Hallelujah!



2 posted on 09/11/2024 5:38:31 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: McGruff

We should end these (and other) limits so President Trump has negotiating power on Day One.


3 posted on 09/11/2024 6:08:07 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: McGruff

McConnel, can we just go full nuclear and get the world over with?

You’re like McNamara with this crap.


4 posted on 09/11/2024 6:14:29 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: McGruff

Blimey, mate ! it’s Lammy and Blinken
5 posted on 09/11/2024 6:32:08 AM PDT by OldHarbor (strained statutory arguments, appeals to inconsistent history, reliance on out-of-c)
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To: McGruff
Earlier, US President Joe Biden said …

BS, Biden “said” nothing. Unless the BeeB has video of him making the statement, it never happened.


6 posted on 09/11/2024 6:35:29 AM PDT by OldHarbor (strained statutory arguments, appeals to inconsistent history, reliance on out-of-c)
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To: McGruff

Putin escalated the war, breaking a red line by bringing in Iranian missiles. This was the threatened response. Tough cookies.


7 posted on 09/11/2024 6:40:40 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind.)
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To: McGruff

Imagine if Russia supplied long-range missiles to Castro and Castro shot them off at the USA, hitting targets in Miami, DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, etc.

The Russians are friends of Venezuela’s present Presidente. The Presidente has Tren de Aragua members in prison. The Presidente might free some prisoner members to immigrate to the USA if certain deeds get done by other gang members.


8 posted on 09/11/2024 6:49:18 AM PDT by Brian Griffin ("Why didn’t she do it three and a half years ago?”)
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To: McGruff

And when that happens let the nukes fly.


9 posted on 09/11/2024 6:51:07 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Brian Griffin

Your analogy would only be appropriate if Cuba was fighting back after being attacked and invaded by the US ... which it isn’t/wasn’t

Hey look, if it’s OK for Russia to strike Ukraine with missiles, then the reverse is OK also, right?

It’s a freaking war, Brian .... maybe Putin shouldn’t have started it


10 posted on 09/11/2024 7:02:55 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: canuck_conservative

Maybe your arguement needs a better example.

Cuban was attacked.

According to the US Department of State:

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/17739.htm

he Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis, 1961-1962
In early 1961 President John F. Kennedy concluded that Fidel Castro was a Soviet client working to subvert Latin America. After much debate in his administration Kennedy authorized a clandestine invasion of Cuba by a brigade of Cuban exiles. The brigade hit the beach at the Bay of Pigs on April 17, 1961, but the operation collapsed in spectacular failure within 2 days. Kennedy took public responsibility for the mistakes made, but remained determined to rid Cuba of Castro.

In November 1961 Kennedy approved Operation Mongoose, a secret plan aimed at stimulating a rebellion in Cuba that the United States could support. While the Kennedy administration planned Operation Mongoose, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev secretly introduced medium-range nuclear missiles into Cuba. U.S intelligence picked up evidence of a general Soviet arms build-up during routine surveillance flights and on September 4, 1962, Kennedy issued a public warning against the introduction of offensive weapons into Cuba. A U-2 flight on October 14 provided the first proof of Soviet medium-range ballistic missiles in Cuba. Kennedy called together 18 of his closest advisers to try to resolve the most dangerous U.S.-Soviet confrontation of the cold war. Some advisers argued for an air strike to take out the missiles and destroy the Cuban air force followed by a U.S. invasion of Cuba; others favored warnings to Cuba and the Soviet Union. The President decided upon a middle course. On October 22 Kennedy ordered a naval quarantine of Cuba. He sent a letter to Khrushchev calling upon him to remove the missiles, thus initiating an exchange of correspondence between the two leaders that continued throughout the crisis.

On October 24 Soviet vessels approached the quarantine line but turned back; 3 days later, the Cubans shot down a U.S. reconnaissance plane. After these near flash points, Kennedy responded on October 27 to the first of two letters sent by Khrushchev on October 26 and 27 proposing various settlements of the crisis. Kennedy accepted the Soviet offer to withdraw the missiles from Cuba in return for an end to the quarantine and a U.S. pledge not to invade Cuba. The same day Attorney General Robert Kennedy told Soviet Ambassador Dobrynin that if the Soviet Union did not remove the missiles the United States would do so. Robert Kennedy also offered an assurance that Khrushchev needed: several months after the missiles were removed from Cuba, the United States would similarly remove its missiles from Turkey. On the basis of those understandings, the Soviet Union agreed on October 28 to remove its missiles from Cuba. The quarantine and the crisis lingered until the removal of the Soviet missiles was verified at sea on November 20, and the Soviet Union agreed to remove the medium-range Il-28 bombers it had also introduced into Cuba. Exactly how close the United States and the Soviet Union came to nuclear war over Cuba remains one of the most keenly discussed issues of the cold war.


11 posted on 09/11/2024 7:33:51 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Brian Griffin

It is puzzling how you think those goofy fantasies have anything to do with Russia rebuilding their empire in Europe and launching the biggest European War since WWII that killed around 60 million people and 100s of thousands of Americans, and was followed by Russian empire and their ‘Cold War”.

This is about Russia, World Wars, Empires, and Europe, the place that when it burns, the whole world burns.


12 posted on 09/11/2024 7:46:04 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: OldHarbor

That’s a good one


13 posted on 09/11/2024 2:46:38 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Jumper

Putin invaded with 270,000 troops, backed by tanks and continuous re-supply from Russia

Bay of Pigs had only 1400 troops, and no armor or backup

Apples & oranges


14 posted on 09/11/2024 3:28:04 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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