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Ukraine says US-made F-16 fighter jet crashed, killing a top pilot
CNN ^ | Aug 29, 2024 | Daria Tarasova-Markina and Ivana Kottasová

Posted on 08/29/2024 8:37:17 AM PDT by McGruff

A top Ukrainian pilot was killed when a US-made F-16 fighter jet crashed on Monday, a Ukrainian Defence Forces source told CNN.

The Ukrainian Defence Forces do not believe pilot error was behind the incident, the source added.

The pilot, Oleksiy Mes known as “Moonfish,” was killed in the crash while “repelling the biggest ever aerial attack” by Russia against Ukraine, said the source, adding that the pilot was buried on Thursday.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: airstuperiority; dariatarasovamarkina; denysdavydov; f16; fox4; ghostofkiev; ivanakottasova; killkillkillforpeace; mic; moonfish; oleksiymes; reportfordutydenys; skypilot; topgun; ukraine; welfarewar; wheresdenys; zeepersindespair
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To: McGruff

Planes cannot be made fool-proof, but, according to the Ukraine defense officials, those planes should be ‘bullet-proof’, or capable of sustaining any kind of damage from ground-based counter measures.


21 posted on 08/29/2024 8:54:57 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: McGruff

I heard there’s a war going on there.


22 posted on 08/29/2024 8:57:26 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: McGruff

There goes, what, $20,000,000 of US taxpayers money.


23 posted on 08/29/2024 8:57:41 AM PDT by caver ( )
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To: Magnum44

Did anyone say that specifically, probably not, but Zelensky and others were pleading for more and better weapons, things like the Abrams Tanks, ATACMs missiles, 155mm artillery, etc., were all at one time or the other denied to Ukraine and then given to them with the implied claim that Ukraine could now push Russia out of Ukraine.


24 posted on 08/29/2024 8:59:03 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: Qwapisking

There is a reason why pilots need thousands and thousands of hours on a particular craft to be considered an expert.


25 posted on 08/29/2024 8:59:20 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: McGruff

“repelling the biggest ever aerial attack” by Russia against Ukraine”

Sounds like propaganda from the ministry of truth.


26 posted on 08/29/2024 8:59:54 AM PDT by BigFreakinToad (Remember the Biden Kitchen Fire of 2004)
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To: McGruff

Was it the “Ghost of Kiev” or whatever he was called?


27 posted on 08/29/2024 9:00:03 AM PDT by Clay Moore (My pistol identifies as a cordless hole punch. )
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To: caver

According to various sources on the interwebs, the cost of an F16 can vary from as little as $25 mi!lion to $70 million, depending on age, condition, upgrades, etc.


28 posted on 08/29/2024 9:01:03 AM PDT by CatHerd (If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?)
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To: McGruff

I’ll call sabotage....This was “1”.


29 posted on 08/29/2024 9:02:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: citizen
What asking me is that modern fighter aircraft doesn't have AI that prevents the pilot from flying outside a “safety envelope” where AI determines, based on speed, trajectory and the terrain/ground, that will lead to a crash. If the pilot goes into a steep dive the AI would force a turn that prevents a crash straight into the ground.

That being said, the Ukrainians will never admit to an F-16 being shot down without undeniable video footage or other evidence proving them wrong.

30 posted on 08/29/2024 9:02:18 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: chuckee

This was shooting drones over Ukrainian territory. So he wasn’t shot down.

He was, however, flying very fast and very low, focusing guns (probably) on a slippery target.

In all probability, he flew into the ground, which is easy to do in that circumstance.


31 posted on 08/29/2024 9:02:34 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: Qwapisking

When I worked in aerospace, the old rule of thumb was “Pilot lives, airplane’s fault. Pilot dies, pilot’s fault.”


32 posted on 08/29/2024 9:03:03 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: srmanuel

Nope. They ask for weapons and military assistance. They ask for the means to defend themselves. I have seen no claims of guaranteed victory, just a fighting chance. It would be foolish to ever make such claims, and your making it sound as if they made such claims is disingenuous at best. We would all be better off if we stuck to facts presented or asked good questions about facts not presented, rather than making bogus claims. That applies to both sides.


33 posted on 08/29/2024 9:03:45 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: McGruff

The same boom boom fairies that took out the Abrams.

https://youtu.be/vJrwOXgOKxg?feature=shared


34 posted on 08/29/2024 9:03:46 AM PDT by hardspunned (Daisy Ad: https://youtu.be/riDypP1KfOU?si=HviOIbG9MMMdkQG0 SHARE THAT AD!)
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To: caver

These were old planes from surrounding nato countries.


35 posted on 08/29/2024 9:03:53 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: stanne

Ukrainian military pilot, with low time in type, crashes a US-made F-16, simultaneously incinerating $25M US taxpayer dollars.


36 posted on 08/29/2024 9:03:57 AM PDT by rx
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To: McGruff
"Lieutenant Colonel Mes Alexey Sergeevich died on August 26, 2024 during a combat mission," the mayor [Lutsk Igor Polishchuk] writes on his social media account."

- https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/08/28/the-first-ukrainian-f-16-pilot-lieutenant-colonel-oleksiy-mes-was-eliminated


37 posted on 08/29/2024 9:04:20 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: caver
here goes, what, $20,000,000 of US taxpayers money.

Actually, I think the chumps in Denmark or Norway are paying for this round. They "donated" the planes, didn't they?

38 posted on 08/29/2024 9:04:27 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: McGruff

Top Pilot....No such thing as a Top Ukie Pilot on an F-16.


39 posted on 08/29/2024 9:04:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: ConservativeMind

I agree. Ukraine and CNN are always lying.


40 posted on 08/29/2024 9:05:06 AM PDT by dforest
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