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Ukraine’s F-16s Have Scored Their First Aerial Kills
Forbes ^

Posted on 08/27/2024 5:30:51 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Ukraine’s ex-Danish Lockheed Martin F-16s have scored their first aerial victories. According to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, the supersonic F-16s shot down Russian cruise missiles during the Russian air raids targeting Ukrainian cities on Monday.

The shoot-downs came three weeks after the first of the nimble F-16s, out of around 85 that Belgium, Denmark, The Netherlands and Norway have pledged, arrived in Ukraine.

“It is excellent to see them in action,” wrote Joni Askola, a Finnish analyst.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aerial; escalation; f16s; killkillkillforpeace; mic; scored; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; welfarewar; zeeperporn
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To: Texas Fossil

I would guess some NATO guys in new uniforms.


21 posted on 08/27/2024 7:20:25 PM PDT by dynachrome (Auslander Raus!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
So a meathead monkey in the cockpit pushes a button and fires a 5 million dollar “smart missile “. Lot of skill that. "So simple even a meathead can do it."

Meathead didn't shoot down anything. Some nerd at Raytheon designed the missile.

22 posted on 08/27/2024 7:24:41 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Want to see the list of what else Ukraine has received from us?

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/


23 posted on 08/27/2024 7:26:14 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: All

The claim is a cruise missile shoot down?

Max speed about 500 mph for the turbofan variant over a long time. And slower to achieve range. Call it 400 mph. That’s 350 kts.

You do not need a supersonic F-16 to do that. If you have decent radar (APG 66) it’s sort of trivial with not much more than a Learjet. More important, you would not use manned aircraft for this task if you have a decent air defense array.

This suggests the Patriots are all gone in that area. It’s not good news.


24 posted on 08/27/2024 7:30:38 PM PDT by Owen
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Oh okay Z. How long will that last?


25 posted on 08/27/2024 7:36:16 PM PDT by dforest
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“According to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky,”


26 posted on 08/27/2024 7:41:35 PM PDT by McGruff (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

AMRAAM was designed by Hughes back in the day. Its a 1990s design that was made in vast numbers. Raytheon merged Hughes, so these days AMRAAM is still in production at Raytheon.

It takes much more to fly an F16, much less intercept cruise missiles with it. You are just being silly.


27 posted on 08/27/2024 8:39:58 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Owen

Learjets do not have look down-shoot down radars and missile systems. F16s had that from the 1980s on, so old, used F16s are ideal vehicles for that.

Thats why they now have hand me down Dutch and Norwegian F16s.

Ukraine has never been given enough Patriots to cover its airspace. I think it has 4 batteries now. Ukraine used to depend on its old S300 system, but they are out of S300 missiles after years of cruise missile bombardment.


28 posted on 08/27/2024 8:48:51 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Now IF ONLY they could also handle the FPV drones that are doing most of the “meat grinding” of individual Ukrainian soldiers and equipment.


29 posted on 08/27/2024 9:00:09 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Be skeptical… the logistics associated with this kind of endeavor basically put the west in direct conflict with Russia… that said the global satanic pedophiles running national security in the west want this right now…. Hell they are locking up their own citizens for having the temerity to complain about the children being raped and murdered by migrants.


30 posted on 08/27/2024 9:14:15 PM PDT by WinstonSmith1984 (Make 1984 fiction again.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Be skeptical… the logistics associated with this kind of endeavor basically put the west in direct conflict with Russia… that said the global satanic pedophiles running national security in the west want this right now…. Hell they are locking up their own citizens for having the temerity to complain about the children being raped and murdered by migrants.


31 posted on 08/27/2024 9:14:43 PM PDT by WinstonSmith1984 (Make 1984 fiction again.)
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To: buwaya

the APG66 is a doppler radar. Learjets have that for weather radar now. And AIM 9 won’t need radar regardless since it is IR.

There is really no such thing as shoot down for that slow a speed. AMRAAMs have semi active terminal guidance so there’s no huge need. And the whole point of the matter is not to have to look down. These are slow vehicles and they are not terrain following. No reason to be above them.

But it’s all meaningless. You should not be wasting manned aircraft on cruise missiles if you have any reasonable integrated air defense.

It’s probably all bogus anyway.


32 posted on 08/27/2024 9:41:57 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen

AIM 9 doesnt have the range for this - engagement volume is a big issue - you want to track and engage multiple targets over a large area, not have to close in to engage targets one by one. Also look down with IR missiles is a problem.

Plenty of reason to be above them. Way above them, in order to track and lock multiple targets coming from many axes.

F16s are near ideal.

Ukraine has an integrated air defense system, its just short of missile batteries, as its friends have never provided enough to replace its out of ammo S300 systems.


33 posted on 08/27/2024 9:53:10 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Owen

The other big advantage of F16’s is that they can take off and climb really fast. A bunch of F16s on cockpit alert can be at 30,000 feet in 2-3 minutes or less. Ukraine gets much more alert time than that - Ukraines friends will certainly tell them when a buch of these TU95 or TU22’s have taken off. These TU95 and TU22’s are the primary cruise missile platforms and vital to any saturation attack. So they can be up high enough very quickly to do the look down-shoot down.

And then there is speed - they can do Mach 2, which is important for an interceptor. They can be dispatched in time, from CAP or takeoff, to probable missile tracks.

All of these things are major advantages when the Russians send a saturation attack.


34 posted on 08/27/2024 10:41:05 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Why do you need F-16s to do this. Can't any of their existing air force do the same thing?
35 posted on 08/28/2024 1:39:50 AM PDT by McGruff (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Owen
It is a planar slotted waveguide array with pulse doppler processing AND monopulse tracking capability.

The main similarity it has with possible Learjet radars is the planar array, which likely don't have coherent pulse doppler or monopulse (3-channel) processing which are going to add more hardware and processing on the down side.

36 posted on 08/28/2024 1:52:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Texas Fossil; Blood of Tyrants; DUMBGRUNT; null and void; convoter2016; dynachrome; ...

Linda Graham begging for “retired NATO pilots” to come fly for Ukraine:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhofs423wsk

https://www.newsweek.com/retired-us-nato-pilots-f-16s-ukraine-lindsey-graham-1938402

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-senator-urges-retired-f-16-pilots-to-join-ukraine-2024-8

“If you’re a retired F-16 pilot and you’re looking to fight for freedom, they will hire you here,” the South Carolina senator said at a press conference during his visit to Ukraine. “They’re going to look throughout NATO nations for willing fighter pilots who retired to come help them until they can get their pilots trained.”


37 posted on 08/28/2024 1:52:35 AM PDT by CatHerd (If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?)
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To: CatHerd

There is no way to win the war. None.

There are no good guys. Even in NATO. The Gulf Coalition might be somewhat better than NATO. And they actually are an effective military.

Lindsey is looking after Lindsey, money train.

The US is the least prepared than any time in my lifetime. Traitors in both parties in DC have done this.

They are Globalist of all flavors, that is why they hate Trump and hate freedom lovers everywhere.

Hard to believe, but it is the truth.


38 posted on 08/28/2024 3:39:06 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: dynachrome

Yes. That is certain to be true.


39 posted on 08/28/2024 3:39:56 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: convoter2016

I have never heard that. I doubt it is true.

Training on our sophisticated aircraft takes years.

It is the difference between learning to drive on a paved highway and learning to drive a race car.


40 posted on 08/28/2024 3:42:04 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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