Posted on 08/27/2024 5:30:51 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Ukraine’s ex-Danish Lockheed Martin F-16s have scored their first aerial victories. According to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, the supersonic F-16s shot down Russian cruise missiles during the Russian air raids targeting Ukrainian cities on Monday.
The shoot-downs came three weeks after the first of the nimble F-16s, out of around 85 that Belgium, Denmark, The Netherlands and Norway have pledged, arrived in Ukraine.
“It is excellent to see them in action,” wrote Joni Askola, a Finnish analyst.
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I would guess some NATO guys in new uniforms.
Meathead didn't shoot down anything. Some nerd at Raytheon designed the missile.
Want to see the list of what else Ukraine has received from us?
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/
The claim is a cruise missile shoot down?
Max speed about 500 mph for the turbofan variant over a long time. And slower to achieve range. Call it 400 mph. That’s 350 kts.
You do not need a supersonic F-16 to do that. If you have decent radar (APG 66) it’s sort of trivial with not much more than a Learjet. More important, you would not use manned aircraft for this task if you have a decent air defense array.
This suggests the Patriots are all gone in that area. It’s not good news.
Oh okay Z. How long will that last?
“According to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky,”
AMRAAM was designed by Hughes back in the day. Its a 1990s design that was made in vast numbers. Raytheon merged Hughes, so these days AMRAAM is still in production at Raytheon.
It takes much more to fly an F16, much less intercept cruise missiles with it. You are just being silly.
Learjets do not have look down-shoot down radars and missile systems. F16s had that from the 1980s on, so old, used F16s are ideal vehicles for that.
Thats why they now have hand me down Dutch and Norwegian F16s.
Ukraine has never been given enough Patriots to cover its airspace. I think it has 4 batteries now. Ukraine used to depend on its old S300 system, but they are out of S300 missiles after years of cruise missile bombardment.
Now IF ONLY they could also handle the FPV drones that are doing most of the “meat grinding” of individual Ukrainian soldiers and equipment.
Be skeptical… the logistics associated with this kind of endeavor basically put the west in direct conflict with Russia… that said the global satanic pedophiles running national security in the west want this right now…. Hell they are locking up their own citizens for having the temerity to complain about the children being raped and murdered by migrants.
Be skeptical… the logistics associated with this kind of endeavor basically put the west in direct conflict with Russia… that said the global satanic pedophiles running national security in the west want this right now…. Hell they are locking up their own citizens for having the temerity to complain about the children being raped and murdered by migrants.
the APG66 is a doppler radar. Learjets have that for weather radar now. And AIM 9 won’t need radar regardless since it is IR.
There is really no such thing as shoot down for that slow a speed. AMRAAMs have semi active terminal guidance so there’s no huge need. And the whole point of the matter is not to have to look down. These are slow vehicles and they are not terrain following. No reason to be above them.
But it’s all meaningless. You should not be wasting manned aircraft on cruise missiles if you have any reasonable integrated air defense.
It’s probably all bogus anyway.
AIM 9 doesnt have the range for this - engagement volume is a big issue - you want to track and engage multiple targets over a large area, not have to close in to engage targets one by one. Also look down with IR missiles is a problem.
Plenty of reason to be above them. Way above them, in order to track and lock multiple targets coming from many axes.
F16s are near ideal.
Ukraine has an integrated air defense system, its just short of missile batteries, as its friends have never provided enough to replace its out of ammo S300 systems.
The other big advantage of F16’s is that they can take off and climb really fast. A bunch of F16s on cockpit alert can be at 30,000 feet in 2-3 minutes or less. Ukraine gets much more alert time than that - Ukraines friends will certainly tell them when a buch of these TU95 or TU22’s have taken off. These TU95 and TU22’s are the primary cruise missile platforms and vital to any saturation attack. So they can be up high enough very quickly to do the look down-shoot down.
And then there is speed - they can do Mach 2, which is important for an interceptor. They can be dispatched in time, from CAP or takeoff, to probable missile tracks.
All of these things are major advantages when the Russians send a saturation attack.
The main similarity it has with possible Learjet radars is the planar array, which likely don't have coherent pulse doppler or monopulse (3-channel) processing which are going to add more hardware and processing on the down side.
Linda Graham begging for “retired NATO pilots” to come fly for Ukraine:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhofs423wsk
https://www.newsweek.com/retired-us-nato-pilots-f-16s-ukraine-lindsey-graham-1938402
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-senator-urges-retired-f-16-pilots-to-join-ukraine-2024-8
“If you’re a retired F-16 pilot and you’re looking to fight for freedom, they will hire you here,” the South Carolina senator said at a press conference during his visit to Ukraine. “They’re going to look throughout NATO nations for willing fighter pilots who retired to come help them until they can get their pilots trained.”
There is no way to win the war. None.
There are no good guys. Even in NATO. The Gulf Coalition might be somewhat better than NATO. And they actually are an effective military.
Lindsey is looking after Lindsey, money train.
The US is the least prepared than any time in my lifetime. Traitors in both parties in DC have done this.
They are Globalist of all flavors, that is why they hate Trump and hate freedom lovers everywhere.
Hard to believe, but it is the truth.
Yes. That is certain to be true.
I have never heard that. I doubt it is true.
Training on our sophisticated aircraft takes years.
It is the difference between learning to drive on a paved highway and learning to drive a race car.
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