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Trump under fire: New details emerge on rally shooting in Pennsylvania (ACCOMPLICES?)
MSN ^ | 07/14/2024 | MDO

Posted on 07/14/2024 3:22:19 PM PDT by Az Joe

Pennsylvania State Police Lieutenant Colonel George Bivens conveyed that authorities "do not believe it was a lone wolf attack." These words signal that the 20-year-old attacker most likely had accomplices.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: accomplices; antifa; assassination; assassinationplots; bivens; j13; misleadingheadline; nonbreakinggarbage; thomasmatthewcrooks; trump
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To: dangus

Also: why can people in the crowd see the sniper and respond, “He’s got a gun,” and yet the secret service does not push Trump down or in any way act to protect him.


21 posted on 07/14/2024 3:35:34 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

The frist three shots sounded Aimed, the next volley was likely spray and pray, the next was the police sniper shot taking him out, followed by a second police shot a few seconds later to finish him off maybe.
I say the just after watching videos of different angles and there was a good one near the shooter on the ground, with excellent sound.


22 posted on 07/14/2024 3:36:01 PM PDT by Pocketdoor
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To: Az Joe

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GScbXbbX0AAJ66l?format=jpg&name=medium

Jonathan Willis responds

Multiple X sources of 4chan post, is this true??


23 posted on 07/14/2024 3:37:57 PM PDT by drSteve78 ( Older Je suis Deplorable. Even more so)
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To: hanamizu

of course its negative.....oh,wait...
Biden just told us to change our tone.


24 posted on 07/14/2024 3:38:11 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (The 2020 election Trump victory determines the fate f America and Freedom.)
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To: Az Joe

Let review this farce.

You are a supposed highly trained, high paid security professional working for the state of the class US Secret Service. SOP is to lock down any roofs with ladder access within sniper range of a high risk target. You are assigned to guard the highest risk target in the world right now.

However, magically, yesterday you total forgot to secure a roof top 150 yards from the opposition party’s political candidate. A roof top that also had line of site to the egress path the candidate would be rushed down in case of an emergency.

Magically this “random nut” penetrated your security zone, wile carrying a rifle, decided to crawl up onto that roof and get off 8 shots at said high value target before you even responded.

If random people out here can see the obvious flaws in the security set up, why did the highly paid, highly trained people running the SS miss all of them?


25 posted on 07/14/2024 3:39:09 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Don't blame me, my congressman is MTG!)
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To: dangus

Here is the video I was referring to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjAoGKMQBis

its several short videos put together.


26 posted on 07/14/2024 3:39:55 PM PDT by Pocketdoor
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To: mass55th

There was a regular portable ladder up against the building in plain sight. How it got there and why it wasn’t thoroughly investigated is a big question.


27 posted on 07/14/2024 3:40:09 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Az Joe

They mean he didn’t show up with a ladder and rifle in hand, walking up to a building in front of everyone?

Such a spectacular SS fail AND having it being exploited at the same time is practically impossible. One or the other maybe, but not both at the same time.


28 posted on 07/14/2024 3:40:16 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: dangus

“How did TMZ end up with a clear view of the killer?”

They pay for other first hand folks to give up their media rights for what’s on their cell phone. At least I believe that to be the case.


29 posted on 07/14/2024 3:40:16 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: PLMerite

“… he 20-year-old attacker most likely had accomplices.”

More likely groomers and handlers.
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Well, the FBI clearly has an abundance of them. Whether any were involved is unknown.


30 posted on 07/14/2024 3:40:19 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: mass55th

Yeah, as I said on another thread:

Those ladders aren’t light and they’re unwieldy to handle unless you are used to them. The shooter didn’t look to be muscular enough to handle one very efficiently. Just his trying to get the ladder up and in place should have drawn attention.

Also, where did he get the ladder. They said he drove a car and I can’t see him bringing it with him. Heck those ladders are about too much for a standard pickup.

Was the ladder on site? How did he know it was there? How did he move it from where it was stored to the side of the building without being noticed. I just don’t see how this was a “one guy” job.


31 posted on 07/14/2024 3:40:36 PM PDT by CFW
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To: Az Joe

No facts to support this claim, but it is hard to
Imagine he didn’t have help. Or direction from somewhere or someone.


32 posted on 07/14/2024 3:41:04 PM PDT by Mustangman
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To: dangus

I have some questions about those first 3 shots pop pop pop. First of all, they were loud compared to subsequent shots. Secondly, at least one of them was prior to Trump getting hit. Third, as FREEPER “dangus” noticed, those 3 shots were close together. Fourth, it is not known if the innocent bystanders were hit from these 3 shots or later ones. These things make me wonder if these 3 shots came from the SS snipers. So, it seems possible that 2 of the shots came from one SS sniper, the third from the second SS sniper (in between his partner’s shots). And why did the perp start missing so badly—bullets flying everywhere. Was he injured from fire by the SS snipers?


33 posted on 07/14/2024 3:41:13 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: FamiliarFace
"Wasn’t there a woman in one of the videos yelling something like “crooks! What are you doing there? Get over here?"

If there is, I haven't seen it. It appears that multiple people observed this person, along with a report that a cop climbed up the "ladder" and confronted the shooter, only to retreat when he pointed the rifle at him. Seems like a lot of failed or deliberately ignored attempts to stop it from happening.

34 posted on 07/14/2024 3:41:41 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: hanamizu

>>>Is it just me or does the headline sound like the story is negative to Trump?

Terrible for sure. Had to read it slowly for at least 5x & was curious about accomplices in brackets. Rank amateurs.


35 posted on 07/14/2024 3:43:12 PM PDT by existentially_kuffer
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To: hanamizu

“Is it just me or does the headline sound like the story is negative to Trump?”

Could just have easily been the title of one of their lawfare attack stories. These scumbags never quit.


36 posted on 07/14/2024 3:43:17 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: DAC21

You misunderstand me. My point is that people in the crowd apparently could see what snipers could not, despite the snipers supposedly watching out for such things and having a much better vantage point.


37 posted on 07/14/2024 3:43:55 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Questions (coming from ignorance, not attempts at making arguments by rhetorical questions):

Were those first three shots unrealistically close together?

Not at all.

Were the next several shots ... impossibly close to be a single shooter

No, they are certainly not "impossibly close"

... the shots by several agents returning fire?

One agent most likely, with a somewhat heavier semi-auto rifle than the perp's. Video taken near the building the shooter was on reveals them to be acoustically more powerful, but with a very similar "acoustic signature" to each other as a group.

How did TMZ end up with a clear view of the killer?

Unknown. Luck?

Why couldn’t the Secret Service get high-ground views of the area surrounding the rally?

This one looks like somebody blew it. There should have at least been a couple LEO's on that roof or a roof with a view of the "back side" of the roof the shooter climbed.

38 posted on 07/14/2024 3:46:37 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Pocketdoor

That’s 12 hours of streaming footage. Do you know when you saw it?


39 posted on 07/14/2024 3:46:59 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Az Joe
Pennsylvania State Police Lieutenant Colonel George Bivens conveyed that authorities "do not believe it was a lone wolf attack."

That does not accurately reflect with Lt. Col Bivens said. Bivens said that investigators are not closing the door on the potential for additional conspirators. Bivens basically said that the investigation is considering all possibilities.

40 posted on 07/14/2024 3:47:33 PM PDT by SSS Two
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