'A fundamental security failure': How did a gunman open fire on a Trump rally?

NBC News ^ | July 14, 2024 | Jon Schuppe, Janelle Griffith, Rich Schapiro and Dasha Burns

[Joe 6-pack]

I would bet my left testicle that it would be impossible to find a single shavetail 22 year old infantry or military police platoon leader in the US Army who, given the mission of securing the rally site, would not have had somebody on that rooftop. Let that sink in.

Now consider that the "experienced" careerists in the USSS, PA state police and local law enforcement clearly not only did not have the rooftop secured, but obviously did not have the access points to the rooftop secured, something smells worse than Biden's diaper after a bowl of sauerkraut and applesauce.

One of the inherent missions of a countersniper on a security detail is to apply their skills and training in identifying key positions that could be used by a potential assassin so access to those positions can be actively denied. I would be curious if they SS snipers and advance team has pointed out the obvious and were overridden, or if they merely failed to identify the obvious.

[Ancesthntr]

DEI hires at the Secret Service, coupled with an entire political party that knows that it cannot defeat this man, and will do anything to stop him and thereby maintain and increase its power. ANYTHING! That’s how.

It is absolutely inconceivable to me that an open roof was allowed to exist only 125 yards from the speaker’s podium. That’s not an accident, in my opinion. Nor is it an accident that three of the Secret Service agents posted to Trump’s personal security are women who are a head shorter than he is. When you couple his head being open for a shot with the availability of such a short shot, that is not an accident. Thank God that Trump turned his head at just the right moment, otherwise he would be dead, and this country would be in complete turmoil. Also, thank God that there was not a second gunman, because if there had been, I think it likely that there would have been a successful assassination, given the incredibly slow and ineffective protection around Trump.

Since I was a little kid in the late 1960s, I have always noticed that the Secret Service agents around a president are generally at least as tall as he is, if not significantly Taller, simply to not just conceal the exact place where the protect is located, but also to be able to provide physical cover in case another shot comes in his direction. That was completely lacking here, and there is no excuse possible, not given the normal practices of the Secret Service for many decades.

[Bigg Red]

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[hole_n_one]

OK..he was a zombie assassin.

What made his handler think he could send his zombie off in the way and manner in which he was sent without thinking it was a fool’s errand to do so?

Again, who in their right mind would think that this was a plan that had any chance of succeeding?

There is only one conclusion…..

The shooter/handler knew that there would be no opposition and that they would be allowed to perform the mission without any interference.

[jocon307]

Yes, really. Maybe Trump shot them! The Media is just a destructive force now.

[NeverTyranny]

My question exactly when I first of it. HOW could this happen? Heads need to roll.

[NeverTyranny]

My question exactly when I first of it. HOW could this happen? Heads need to roll.

[NeverTyranny]

I agree. I thought the Secret Service was slow on physically covering Trump and appalled that they let him expose his head. I could not believe what I was seeing.

[ArcadeQuarters]

Yes, that’s what I’m saying. It was the one roof in the area and they had no one guarding it.

[gloryblaze]

Yeah, even a posse of uniformed Barney Fifes patrolling around with walkie talkies would have throttled him.

[Candor7]

How does a gunman, in plain view of some spectators, manage to open fire on a former president at a campaign rally protected by federal and local law enforcement?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats easy. Crooks had handlers from the Deep State who arranged for a clear shot and gave him onstructions on how to get to the point in the roof.No one like this 20 year old could have accomplished this without intel from the Deep State, just on timing alone.

The PA STte Police had no officers on these roofs outside the perimete, had t9 be a purposeful arrangement. NOT EVEN ONE OFFICER ON THE AG building roof.Had to be arranged.

Where was his cell phone that he had to be carrying?

[gloryblaze]

I suspect it was suicide by cop. If he got President Trump first, the ultimate “success” and, if not, die trying was close enough.

[Paul R.]

You have to be kidding. No way the SS(?) snipers can open "suppressive fire" unless they have a target visible to them. Shoot blindly over the roof with the kind of rifles they have and you'll likely kill some poor mo'fo's in a parking lot a mile downrange...

You seem to be unaware of the 1st rule any firearms owner / holder is supposed to be taught (excepting actual wartime situations, directly under fire yourself, or if you are a terrorist, gangster, etc.)

That said, if the vid proves out (probable), that likely explains the security people the witness said were running around the base of the building, but witnesses said the cops couldn't see the shooter from their position(s). That still doesn't help the snipers: Best they can do is aim somewhere along the roofline, scan for someone coming over, identify or receive ID that that particular figure who just appeared over the roofline is a bogey and not a LEO, swing rifle over to get bogey in the scope, aim, and fire. More than enough time for the shooter to get off his 3 shots.

Getting Trump "down"? That will depend on the time stamp. I lean toward "should have happened", but if there is enough incompetency to not at least have a couple reliable Sheriff's Deputies on that roof in the first place, a screw up in communications is relatively much easier to accept. Lacking info., at this point I'd give it a "one in three".

Again, gross incompetency "somewhere" in the security op, by not having security on that roof, is staring you right in the face. The sniper's actions are exactly what should be expected. Once visible TO THEM, the threat was quickly eliminated.

[OldArmy52]

Enhanced interrogations of the FBI, CIA, DOJ should find the planners

[gloryblaze]

Prince Harry!

[Paul R.]

Knotted Rope - IF he was physically fit to climb such. Or a rope plus rope ladder.

In his younger days, I saw my Dad (Forestry Prof.) use the latter to get up into trees.

[Paul R.]

Yes, I’ve been wondering that too. Suicide by SS detail is about as “high end blaze of notoriety” as you can get.

That still doesn’t explain no LEO on the roof...

[Paul R.]

Well, that one SS gal was too short to “cover” Trump unless she climbed up him, anyway! WTH - there are PLENTY of worthy security jobs for female agents under 6’4” (and hefty) on a Presidential detail, but being one of the “bullet interceptors” isn’t one of them. It’s like putting Caitlin Clark in as nose guard for the Indianapolis Colts.

[Sarah Barracuda]

I know nothing about guns but I do know something about COMMON SENSE..you dont leave a building right next to a political rally unattended, you put two people there to make sure no one can climb it..geez any idiot would know that is a perfect spot if you want to shoot people that is where you would do it

[The_Media_never_lie]

Look at it this way, there were cops down below to which the eyewitnesses reported the guy bear crawling on the roof with a rifle.

What exactly were the cops there on the ground, for? To prohibit breech of the perimeter? Event security could have done that.

Everyone knows rooftops are potential sniper spots. Didn’t the police know that? What was the function of the police on the ground? An iconic presence? Just totally useless. No communications with the SS, apparently. The police from the rooftop vantage point, could have prevented breech of the perimeter and backed up event security.

This is so amateurish, it is wanton negligence.

Are we going to get a coherent explanation? I would think there could never be one, the security was sooooo bad, so this will just disappear down the memory hole.