Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

VA Officials Tell Lawmakers They Won’t Comply With Proposed Laws to Preserve Veterans Gun Rights
https://americanmilitarynews.com ^ | July 11, 2024

Posted on 07/12/2024 9:00:44 AM PDT by 11th_VA

U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs officials testified during a Wednesday House hearing that the department would not comply with proposed legislation barring it from sending certain information about U.S. military veterans to the federal government’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

The VA reasons that reliance on a fiduciary indicates a beneficiary is mentally incompetent. Federal law states firearms dealers receive a “deny message” if a NICS check for a potential buyer determines the buyer has been adjudicated as a mental defective.

Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-MT) challenged the VA witnesses later on in the hearing to explain their opposition to the Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act. …

VA Deputy Director of Pension and Fiduciary Service Kevin Friel denied that referring to veterans as mentally incompetent makes them less likely to want to seek the VA’s help …

“Is it the VA’s position that the VA will not comply with an act of Congress?” he asked.

“Yes sir. I guess, based off of what you have in testimony, yes sir,” Friel replied.

“That you would not comply?” Rosendale reiterated.

“Yes sir,” Friel said again.

“Well, I’m glad everybody hears that on the record—that the VA is going to refuse to comply regardless of what we actually pass here,” Rosendale said.

Minutes later in the hearing, Crane again pressed Friel to explain his thought process for deciding whether to follow the laws passed by Congress.

“The problem is we’re talking about veterans’ rights and due process and their right to bear and keep arms, another constitutional premise. But you, you’re willing to do what your boss [Biden] tells you to do, even if it violates their rights,” Crane said. “You should do some soul searching sir, you really should.”

(Excerpt) Read more at americanmilitarynews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; arrestkevinfriel; banglist; fbi; fbisedition; forcecompliance; kevinfriel; lockandload; nics; nra; secondamendment; usvsthem; va; vasedition
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-28 last
To: 11th_VA

We’re going to need a bigger gallows.


21 posted on 07/12/2024 11:27:03 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (The only good commie is one that's dead - Country Joe McDonald )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

That article was not particularly impartial.

1) A veteran rated 100% disabled for Mental Health reasons, service connected, will almost always have a Fiduciary appointed. Meaning, they lose all control over their own money. That’s why that specific witness was there. He is in charge of Fiduciary appointments and people, heads up on this, once one is appointed it is almost impossible to get them removed.

The point being made is the Fiduciary appointed is going to control the Veteran’s money and that Veteran will not have a gun purchased authorized by the Fiduciary because at 100% mentally disabled they are not going to pass a background check anyway. So he is saying he won’t forward such information to the background checking agency because the veteran cannot buy a gun regardless.

This is not a major controversy. Fiduciary entities are not appointed for a veteran at 20% disabled or 50 or 70. At 100% it is almost automatic, for the veteran’s own good. Most of these guys have not been able to hold a job for decades and are on the VA’s $16K/yr pension. The Fiduciary has control of all of that.

This is not a big 2nd Amendment controversy. This is a congress guy not up to speed on VA norms.


22 posted on 07/12/2024 11:30:45 AM PDT by Owen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: 11th_VA
“Well, I’m glad everybody hears that on the record—that the VA is going to refuse to comply regardless of what we actually pass here,” Rosendale said.

Pass the legislation, send the lawbreaking VA officials to federal prison.

Lawbreaking by public servants ends when lawbreaking public servants are held personally liable, both civilly and criminally, for their lawbreaking. Put them in prison and impoverish their families. It's fair: it's what they (try to) do to We the People.

23 posted on 07/12/2024 11:35:05 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Owen
This is a congress guy not up to speed on VA norms.

Assuming for the moment that this is true, the bureaucrat is still in the wrong. Bureaucrats don't get to violate the law just because the law contradicts their "norms". They are bound to obey the law, and to change their "norms" when the law requires them to do so. If this bureaucrat is convinced that the proposed law is a bad idea, he has the right to explain his reasoning to Congress. In the end, though, he must obey the law even if he doesn't like it.

His other option is to resign.

24 posted on 07/12/2024 12:43:49 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: 11th_VA; lepton

Thank you. I see that the bill is the opposite of what I had feared. I can see why Biden might pressure VA not to comply. I predict Biden will not sign the measure.

I seem to recall that back in the Obama days, Pelosi favored red-flagging all veterans, I don’t know if because of a presumed propensity for PTSD or a rational fear she might one day face well trained riflemen in an insurrection.


25 posted on 07/12/2024 12:47:09 PM PDT by c-five
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: 11th_VA

If a veteran is incompetent to handle their own affairs, there’s no sane reason to provide them with access to firearms - even for political points. It’s no different than any other mental health issue.


26 posted on 07/12/2024 3:22:29 PM PDT by Bob Wills is still the king (Just a Texas Playboy at heart!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chainmail

Screw the soul-searching.

Just Prison.


27 posted on 07/12/2024 8:04:31 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 11th_VA

Drip Drip Drip


28 posted on 07/13/2024 12:38:48 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-28 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson