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Zelenskyy says the problem with the coming F-16 fighter jets is the same one Ukraine had with the Abrams tanks
Business Insider ^ | 7/11/24 | Chris Panela

Posted on 07/11/2024 1:24:01 PM PDT by hardspunned

Western-provided F-16 fighter jets are on their way to Ukraine and set to start flying missions later this summer.

But they may not yet be enough to make a difference on the battlefield, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy indicated in a discussion this week on what Ukraine needs, comparing the jets to the US-made Abrams tanks that Ukraine got last fall.

Asked by Fox News' host Bret Baier at the Reagan Institute if the 31 Abrams Ukraine received as its counteroffensive was already stumbling made a difference, Zelenskyy said: "I'm not sure that such number of tanks can change the situation on the battlefield."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: americalast; beggarofkiev; boohoogriftharder; escalation; f16; killkillkillforpeace; mic; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; welfarewar; zelenskyyyyyyyyy
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To: RummyChick

another good video example of mighty power not always being enough is the one from Vietnam era to Fortunate Son as depicted in the famous movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T-6vxLXj9M


41 posted on 07/11/2024 3:21:24 PM PDT by RummyChick ( )
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To: RummyChick

And if you are Navy...here is Thunderstruck for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MTw_ts7Iyc


42 posted on 07/11/2024 3:28:05 PM PDT by RummyChick ( )
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To: dforest

WOW, are you even aware that putin is a dictator?


43 posted on 07/11/2024 3:35:26 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

If you feel that adamant about it, travel across the pond, enlist in the Ukrainian military, and head to the front lines as a volunteer. You’ll be next to citizens of Ukraine pulled out of their homes and conscripted to go die in a globalist money-laundering war.


44 posted on 07/11/2024 4:24:20 PM PDT by MTBobcat (The “rank-and-file” are as corrupted as their leadership.)
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To: Sunsong

Of course he’s a dictator. So is Zelensky, who even cancels elections as he sends middle-aged mechanics and janitors die on the front lines.

Can’t vote him out for a president who may negotiate for peace so they get to go fight and die.


45 posted on 07/11/2024 4:35:46 PM PDT by MTBobcat (The “rank-and-file” are as corrupted as their leadership.)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

“The West needs to give Volodymyr Zelenskyy nuclear weapons.”

“Under Article I of the NPT, nuclear-weapon states pledge not to transfer nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices to any recipient or in any way assist, encourage or induce any non-nuclear-weapon state in the manufacture or acquisition of a nuclear weapon.”

“Non-parties
(India, Israel, Pakistan, South Sudan)”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons


46 posted on 07/11/2024 4:47:39 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: hardspunned

Then get your shit from somewhere else, and save American taxpayers some money.


47 posted on 07/11/2024 4:47:46 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: dforest

After 25 years of leading Russia and knowing he is president for the rest of his life, naturally people speak of Putin as Russia.


48 posted on 07/11/2024 4:49:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Sunsong

Go finance this proxy war with Russia yourself. I’ve done it enough in the past 50 years.


49 posted on 07/11/2024 4:50:04 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: hardspunned

“Zelenskyy says the problem with the coming F-16 fighter jets is the same one Ukraine had with the Abrams tanks”

They both suck and that’s because the Leftists running the country and our military (and supported by the Zeepers, by the way) actually BELIEVED that Russia was a “gas station with nukes”. After all, why else did they even try fielding about the EASIEST navigation on the planet to jam, which is GPS?


50 posted on 07/11/2024 5:03:51 PM PDT by BobL
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To: hardspunned

Yes, the problem will be the same as with the M1 tanks, the dumb SOBs don’t know how to use them. Drive tanks down a road you know is mined, wander around in open fields with one unsupported tank, no infantry support, no artillery. Hell yes, the gator will get your granny and Ivan will blow up your tank. Same will go with the F 16.


51 posted on 07/11/2024 6:41:18 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan ( )
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To: Sunsong

“Get Ukraine everything they need to defeat putin!

This isn’t rocket science...”

Yep. American troops. That’s wat they need.


52 posted on 07/11/2024 11:46:10 PM PDT by rxh4n1 ( )
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To: hardspunned

But send them to us if you want, as long as you give my friends billions in cash.


53 posted on 07/12/2024 12:20:06 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: faithhopecharity

The planes belong to those countries not the US. They are home.


54 posted on 07/12/2024 3:32:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: hardspunned

This globohomo wil never be satisfied. I am convinced that there will never be an end to the war as long as he’s in power.


55 posted on 07/12/2024 6:20:48 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: monkeyshine

How I loved the Phantom. It even looks wicked. And watched them work out delivering ordinance to commies, what a sight to watch.


56 posted on 07/12/2024 8:50:45 AM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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To: PIF

I see. Okay wrll the planes can stay home and not go to Ukraine where they’re not wanted.


57 posted on 07/12/2024 10:11:33 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: hardspunned
It’s going to take nukes to do that. That fact has been proven already. Even American boys committed and dying by the hundreds every week won’t defeat the Russians, let alone the Russians and their NORK and Chinese allies’ divisions. Is the continued persecution oh the ethnic Russians in Donbas worth your hometown getting into a nuclear war with Russia?

Why do you keep pushing for nukes everywhere?

And that's a stupid comment, US Doctrine isn't to sit in trenches like WWII. We fight much differently, and this war would be over pretty quick if these US actually got involved. For one thing, war with Russia would barely touch Ukraine, if at all. We'd be hitting them every other which way.
58 posted on 07/12/2024 2:36:45 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: BobL
They both suck and that’s because the Leftists running the country and our military (and supported by the Zeepers, by the way) actually BELIEVED that Russia was a “gas station with nukes”. After all, why else did they even try fielding about the EASIEST navigation on the planet to jam, which is GPS?

They as in F-16s and Abrams? Not at all - your statement is so far wrong I can't tell if it's serious or not.

Russia is basically a "gas station with nukes", they just invaded the "gas station without nukes" and now they're stuck. Their only advantage ever Ukraine is numbers - more manpower and more artillery. Otherwise, they're about the same power level. Yes, Russia will win eventually, but that WWII style of war is only effective against other WWII-level militaries. And only a threat to countries with landed borders.

GPS on a commercial level is pretty easy to jam or spoof, but encrypted military-grade GPS is a good bit more robust. And not something Ukraine has access to.
59 posted on 07/12/2024 2:46:06 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

“GPS on a commercial level is pretty easy to jam or spoof, but encrypted military-grade GPS is a good bit more robust. And not something Ukraine has access to.”

You got a link for that (from a credible source), or are you just a Zeeper pulling shit out of thin air to try to keep this horrific war going through the election?


60 posted on 07/12/2024 2:52:34 PM PDT by BobL
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