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Zelenskyy says the problem with the coming F-16 fighter jets is the same one Ukraine had with the Abrams tanks
Business Insider ^ | 7/11/24 | Chris Panela

Posted on 07/11/2024 1:24:01 PM PDT by hardspunned

Western-provided F-16 fighter jets are on their way to Ukraine and set to start flying missions later this summer.

But they may not yet be enough to make a difference on the battlefield, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy indicated in a discussion this week on what Ukraine needs, comparing the jets to the US-made Abrams tanks that Ukraine got last fall.

Asked by Fox News' host Bret Baier at the Reagan Institute if the 31 Abrams Ukraine received as its counteroffensive was already stumbling made a difference, Zelenskyy said: "I'm not sure that such number of tanks can change the situation on the battlefield."

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“Even if we will have 50, it's nothing. They have 300. Because we are defending, we need 128," he said, adding that unless Ukraine has that amount of F-16s, they won't "compare with them in the sky." He said "it will be difficult."

The less than 50, which is what they’ll get, everyone knows will make no difference. What’s the point?

“The Abrams is recognized as a "tank killer" and celebrated for its lethality and heavy armor. It has a fearsome reputation”

That’s living in the past. The reason the Abrams weren’t effective against Russian tanks is because the Uke drones had already taken the Russian tanks out before the Russian drones took out the Abrams.

1 posted on 07/11/2024 1:24:01 PM PDT by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned
Zelenskyy says the problem with the coming F-16 fighter jets is the same one Ukraine had with the Abrams tanks

They're not driven by American pilots?

That's what he really wants.

2 posted on 07/11/2024 1:28:48 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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3 posted on 07/11/2024 1:30:25 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Steely Tom

Yep. He wants to Americanize this war and pronto!


4 posted on 07/11/2024 1:30:52 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: hardspunned

Putin and Biden have tried to prolong this as much as possible.

Why would they have been doing that?


5 posted on 07/11/2024 1:34:49 PM PDT by ifinnegan (MDemocrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Steely Tom

In 1973, two Israeli Phantom jets took on 28 Egyptian Migs. They shot down seven Migs and chased the others away.


6 posted on 07/11/2024 1:35:06 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: hardspunned

Get Ukraine everything they need to defeat putin!

This isn’t rocket science...


7 posted on 07/11/2024 1:36:17 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: hardspunned

Then go elsewhere to get your sh*t


8 posted on 07/11/2024 1:39:18 PM PDT by wardamneagle
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To: hardspunned

The West needs to give Volodymyr Zelenskyy nuclear weapons.


9 posted on 07/11/2024 1:40:10 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (The only good commie is one that's dead - Country Joe McDonald )
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To: hardspunned
They have 300. Because we are defending, we need 128,

the magic winning ratio is 42.66%

He's got it all worked out.

10 posted on 07/11/2024 1:40:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: hardspunned

All he wants is more money.


11 posted on 07/11/2024 1:41:52 PM PDT by Thomas Jerome
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To: hardspunned

if he doesn’t need them or thinks that they won’t help him, then let’s keep them here at home or send them to our allies like Israel (currently fighting back against an awful mass murderer terrorist attack and facing serious equipment needs), or like Japan (now an ally and helping with the defense of ROC/Taiwan) or ROC/Taiwan, or ... several additional countries are under attack or serious threat from our enemies and adversaries

or as I mentioned, just keep the planes at home. there’s NO point sending them to a place which says they’re not needed or won’t help it

may as well junk them into the Mariana Trench as do that


12 posted on 07/11/2024 1:43:15 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Sunsong

It’s going to take nukes to do that. That fact has been proven already. Even American boys committed and dying by the hundreds every week won’t defeat the Russians, let alone the Russians and their NORK and Chinese allies’ divisions. Is the continued persecution oh the ethnic Russians in Donbas worth your hometown getting into a nuclear war with Russia?


13 posted on 07/11/2024 1:44:02 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Sunsong

Get Ukraine everything they need to defeat putin!
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Ukraine is out of manpower. Depleted. Spent….and I don’t see anyone, any where volunteering to get fed into Vlad’s meat grinder…. His FAB’s alone are decimating the Ukies.


14 posted on 07/11/2024 1:50:54 PM PDT by delta7
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To: hardspunned

My response to Zelensky? Well the. Have none, I’ m tired of mortgaging my kids and their kisd’s kids kids paying for your F’n war.


15 posted on 07/11/2024 1:52:17 PM PDT by Mastador1
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To: hardspunned

It’s a lost war and has always been so. The only hope of the globalists is to declare it as WWIII officially and everybody jumps in.


16 posted on 07/11/2024 1:52:21 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: ifinnegan

It’s a money laundering scheme. For the nearly, I think, trillion dollars that has been sent, it’s unlikely more than a few hundred billion has actually been spent on the war. The rest has been pocketed.


17 posted on 07/11/2024 1:53:31 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: hardspunned

The problem they have is not Abrams or F-16s. Those are amazing and still world beating weapons. But THAT is when you have them run by the First Armored Division, or USAF pilots with their entire package. Those are no joke.

But you hand that stuff off to Uke nazi militias and draftees, or guys who grew up on Soviet style ground controlled flying, and it’s retarded.

There is no wonder weapon that will save Z the little fuhrer.


18 posted on 07/11/2024 1:55:13 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: hardspunned

What was the Powel Doctrine? Dont go to war unless you have a 3:1 advantage?

A few modern weapons systems will likely just frustrate the team that has them. Overwhelming force is needed to win in the modern battlefield.


19 posted on 07/11/2024 1:57:06 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

The West needs to give Volodymyr Zelenskyy nuclear weapons.
= = =

He might aim them the wrong direction, like that famous “Polish Pistol”.


20 posted on 07/11/2024 1:59:34 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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