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Zelenskyy says the problem with the coming F-16 fighter jets is the same one Ukraine had with the Abrams tanks
Business Insider ^ | 7/11/24 | Chris Panela

Posted on 07/11/2024 1:24:01 PM PDT by hardspunned

Western-provided F-16 fighter jets are on their way to Ukraine and set to start flying missions later this summer.

But they may not yet be enough to make a difference on the battlefield, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy indicated in a discussion this week on what Ukraine needs, comparing the jets to the US-made Abrams tanks that Ukraine got last fall.

Asked by Fox News' host Bret Baier at the Reagan Institute if the 31 Abrams Ukraine received as its counteroffensive was already stumbling made a difference, Zelenskyy said: "I'm not sure that such number of tanks can change the situation on the battlefield."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: americalast; beggarofkiev; boohoogriftharder; escalation; f16; killkillkillforpeace; mic; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; welfarewar; zelenskyyyyyyyyy
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To: hardspunned
Zelensky wants the planes painted the correct colors.



21 posted on 07/11/2024 2:01:43 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: DesertRhino

The Abrams, like all tanks, is obsolete. All tanks are being slaughtered as soon as they reveal themselves in Ukraine. You never see more than two or three tanks being committed at a time in Ukraine. That’s because the rate of loss for both Uke and Russia tanks on the battlefield is probably approaching 90%.


22 posted on 07/11/2024 2:04:56 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

Nothing will ever be enough. This war was lost from the day it began. It is a meat grinder of attrition and Ukraine started off with less so they will finish with less. it is a shame that fjb, bilken and newland got it started. They misled both sides.


23 posted on 07/11/2024 2:15:40 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (The Government that got us in this mess is not the Government that can get us out of it.)
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To: hardspunned

In short he’s saying his military couldn’t fly an RC plane.


24 posted on 07/11/2024 2:15:42 PM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: Jonty30

Yep. Their pockets are deep.


25 posted on 07/11/2024 2:19:21 PM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Sunsong

Heck with that..let the Russians have them.


26 posted on 07/11/2024 2:20:10 PM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

“The West needs to give Volodymyr Zelenskyy nuclear weapons.”

Hell yeah!

That way the entire world can be incinerated, leaving no living thing.


27 posted on 07/11/2024 2:24:28 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: hardspunned

You have no clue. from your analysis, I doubt you served in a combat unit. Certainly not in an armored unit. Idiot Ukes and Russians are sending tanks out willy nilly, uncoordinated.

I assure you an Armored Division of the US Army would not duplicate any of the moronic tactics of the bloodlands.
Supported by recon helos, Apaches, MLRS, various E-warfare devices and covered by the USAF or Naval Air, you would learn that M1s are -far- from obsolete.

You sound like the armchair generals who keep telling us how the carrier is dead. And they forget that carrier is not alone, it is overwatched by satellites, more attack subs than you’d guess, ASW aviation and a handy screen of destroyers and frigates.
And a carrier of today is a different animal than a WWII carrier.

Don’t kid yourself. Tanks are dangerous and effective. But not when used by tactically ignorant idiots.


28 posted on 07/11/2024 2:27:00 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: hardspunned

No. The problem is Zelensky didn’t go to the table when the best deal was offered.


29 posted on 07/11/2024 2:28:06 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: hardspunned

Not drones but mines and artillery fires.


30 posted on 07/11/2024 2:31:48 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: hardspunned

And we all know about the vaunted drones. But those are actually a monument to the amateurish nature of the fighting. In some places, the fighting literally duplicates WWI.

Try that silliness of a DGI drones against a US force and see what happens when a Navy Growler or USAF EA-37B hits that drone and it’s signal.

You might sneak one in against a rear base somewhere... but US armor in the field is quite safe against this Uke circus stunt that has been useful against similar levels of quality enemies.


31 posted on 07/11/2024 2:33:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: faithhopecharity

just keep the planes at home

The F16s are surplus from the Netherlands and Holland, not the US.


32 posted on 07/11/2024 2:34:02 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: hardspunned

Zelesky will never be happy until there’s Nato war against Russia....


33 posted on 07/11/2024 2:39:48 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: PIF

fine, bring the planes home


34 posted on 07/11/2024 2:40:21 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: hardspunned

I’m sick of this ungrateful jackass’s whining.

Go away, ya panhandler and keep your grubby mitts off of my money.


35 posted on 07/11/2024 2:42:26 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Sunsong

You are a fool. You don’t refer to Ukraine as Zelensky but you refer to Russia as Putin. You Zeepers are obsessed. There are far worse than Putin who could replace Putin but you knuckleheads are literally obsessed with the guy.

You don’t care who dies and WWIII would make you happy. All for a shithole like Ukraine. I don’t want my family members dying for that place.


36 posted on 07/11/2024 2:47:18 PM PDT by dforest ( )
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To: Steely Tom

35 F-16s, even if flown by American pilots, would still be outnumbered by 300 Russian fighter jets. American Navy and Marine pilots are amazing, but landing and taking off from carrier decks does not make them invincible in the air, even against lesser jets.

“That’s what he really wants.”

Karnack the Magnificent, I presume?


37 posted on 07/11/2024 2:59:41 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Clhild in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Jonty30

I think so.


38 posted on 07/11/2024 3:00:13 PM PDT by ifinnegan (MDemocrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: hardspunned

This little grifter needs to build his own armaments.


39 posted on 07/11/2024 3:08:05 PM PDT by ABStrauss (I miss Rlush!)
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To: Vermont Lt

This Video of US mighty power to music Thunderstruck is a great video. But 3:1 doesn’t always work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo79sqsmjbY


40 posted on 07/11/2024 3:15:09 PM PDT by RummyChick ( )
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