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To save spotted owls, US officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of another owl species
AP ^ | 7/3/24 | Matthew Brown

Posted on 07/03/2024 2:24:02 PM PDT by DallasBiff

To save the imperiled spotted owl from potential extinction, U.S. wildlife officials are embracing a contentious plan to deploy trained shooters into dense West Coast forests to kill almost a half-million barred owls that are crowding out their cousins.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service strategy released Wednesday is meant to prop up declining spotted owl populations in Oregon, Washington state and California. The Associated Press obtained details in advance.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ecoterrorism; myob; owl; owls; spottedowl; spottedowls
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To: cuz1961
next year i wasn't given another nte 180.

Care to translate?

41 posted on 07/03/2024 3:10:55 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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I have witnessed a parliament of barreds once right at sundown. Like a pre-hunt meeting. Pretty cool.


42 posted on 07/03/2024 3:12:29 PM PDT by waterhill (I Believe! Eph. 5:11)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yes-that is what always happens when some bunch of lunatics decide to decimate or eliminate a predator species from an area, but they do not learn-in a year or so, Oregon will have a plague of rodents-or even better-snakes and lizards...


43 posted on 07/03/2024 3:13:28 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: JayGalt

Yeah. Go take a look at “Playing God in Yellowstone: The Destruction of America’s First National Park”. How the environmentalists used the Army to upend the ecosystem of Yellowstone. All environmentalists are psychopaths - no exceptions.


44 posted on 07/03/2024 3:14:19 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: DallasBiff

They are doing this the justify the job losses, family devastation, poverty and drug addiction caused by shutting down the timber industry in Oregon purportedly to save the spotted owl. Not to mention strengthening our enemies by sending jobs overseas.

I retired into southern Oregon and entire lumber mills have been sold and shipped to Asia.

Once the government causes so many ruined lives they need to make everyone believe it was a “wise” decision.


45 posted on 07/03/2024 3:16:37 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Hot Tabasco
next year i wasn't given another nte 180.
Care to translate?

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sure.

An NTE 180 is a seasonal position, in my case a GS 5 paygrade.

NTE 180 stands for

Not To Exceed 180 days of employment.

46 posted on 07/03/2024 3:19:00 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: Hot Tabasco

next year i wasn’t given another nte 180.
Care to translate?
= = =

I am going to guess.

nte = not to exceed

180 = 180 days of working, like a yearly max of part time work, maybe.


47 posted on 07/03/2024 3:19:27 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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To: DallasBiff
Is this plan by the US Fish and Wildlife Service a Chevron Deference power?

To make their own law to kill off a protected species to “try” to salvage another species?

48 posted on 07/03/2024 3:22:16 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: DallasBiff

Proving again that “expert” bureaucrats are clods and morons.


49 posted on 07/03/2024 3:23:17 PM PDT by sergeantdave (AI training involves stealing content from creators and not paying them a penny)
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To: Montana_Sam

It’s the arrogance. It makes them brain dead.


50 posted on 07/03/2024 3:23:21 PM PDT by JayGalt (DEI = Didn’t Earn It)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
Another guy and I did the Deschutes NF spotted owl survey in 1979. We didn't find many spotted owls, at least ones that would answer our call. It was still a fun summer, though I missed out on a really good fire season.

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sorry., im not sure i believe you.

i also worked on your neighbor forest, the U.S Fremont Forest, late 80’s, and i never even heard of any spotted owl surveys...

and 1979 ? did you mean 1989 ?

you and a budy ? was that a subcontract ? or where you federal employees ?

answer your call ?

what call ?.

we physically grid pattern searched every single acre with the full silviculture crew .

ya, sorry, i dont believe you for a second. . /-)

51 posted on 07/03/2024 3:27:48 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: cuz1961

If you say so.......SMH!


52 posted on 07/03/2024 3:28:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: DallasBiff

Bad idea shooting all those “undesirable” Owls.
Don’t forget,
Owl Lives Matter!


53 posted on 07/03/2024 3:32:14 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
though I missed out on a really good fire season.

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as a federal employee ?

cuz federal employees aren't exempt from fire duty cuz you are doing something else.

everyone goes if sent. if you didnt go on fires cuz the man power wasnt needed, thats one thing.

but you dont get excused cuz you are doing something else.

i think your whole story is just that, a story.

no offense, and i apologize if im wrong.

54 posted on 07/03/2024 3:34:46 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: DallasBiff

Barred Owls (stryx varia) are common in North Louisiana. Their call is distinctive: “Whoo, whoo, whoo cooks for you!” One of my very favorite bird calls.


55 posted on 07/03/2024 3:46:02 PM PDT by abb
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To: Hot Tabasco

Crater Lake National Park
The first surveys were conducted in 1978 with the help of the U.S. Forest Service and the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

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i stand corrected.

there was a survey in 1978.


56 posted on 07/03/2024 3:49:05 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: DallasBiff
"..deploy trained shooters into dense West Coast forests.."

Being familiar with dense west coast forests, I predict more than a
few of the "trained hunters" will end up shooting their comrades.

57 posted on 07/03/2024 3:50:09 PM PDT by chief lee runamok ( Le Flâneur @Large)
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To: DallasBiff

A plan only a ‘rat could love.


58 posted on 07/03/2024 3:54:19 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: cuz1961

It was 1979, not 1989. Spotted owls were only starting to become a political and environmental cause. The survey was done by myself and another USFS employee, both seasonal wildlife techs, GS-3 I think. Our boss was back in the office. The method of surveying was not at all rigorous; we had a tape-recorded spotted owl call that we’d play over a portable loudspeaker, and the spotted owls were supposed to hoot back. Then we’d go back in the daytime and locate the nest.

Far from conducting a grid search of every acre, we drove every road on the forest, stopping every half mile to play the call a few times and wait for a response. We also covered whatever trails we could given the time constraints of an 8-hour shift, which meant not getting into the wilderness areas. Compared to an actual search of the entire forest, it was laughably casual; I think the higher-ups were just trying to show that they were doing something.

Now your questions have been answered, and I don’t give a rat’s ass if you believe me or not.


59 posted on 07/03/2024 3:54:31 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: waterhill
Yep. When I hear a barred owl, I always say "My buddy dropped in for a visit!".

60 posted on 07/03/2024 4:03:45 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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