Posted on 06/19/2024 8:53:31 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian
Residents of the Village of Ruidoso are under an emergency mandatory evacuation order due to wildfires in the area.
The South Fork Fire and the Salt Fire are burning on Mescalero tribal land, near Ruidoso, according to the New Mexico Forestry Division.
Residents should evacuate immediately without gathering belongings or attempting to protect their homes., officials with the Village of Ruidoso shared via social media at 6:54 p.m. on Monday, June 17. Several roads are closed, including Highway 48 and Highway 70 at Apache Summit. The only evacuation route is Sudderth to Highway 70 out to Roswell.
A fire warning has been issued for portions of Highway 70 between Casino Apache and the Lincoln County Line, according to the National Weather Service.
Travelers should not drive into smoke and follow updated guidelines from local officials.
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South fork!
Guaranteed they’ve been there. And at that point there would be no evidence of a lightning strike, no power lines, no train track at the ignition point.
Just out there in the forest. And a dog will pick up the kerosene. One canteen’s worth would be plenty.
Just evil. Hopefully they are looking at cell pings, and pings leading into the forest. And then of course, there are satellites.
They’ll figure it out.
It’s not incompetence. It’s by design.
The Mescalero have been forbidden from taking proper care of the land by the BIA and BLM — specifically to make it impossible for houses to exist.
Next move is to make properties uninsurable and not able to be financed, so people surrender private land to the government and/or giant property developers.
Billionaires want private playgrounds and this is how they grab the land since Obama.
They did the same thing in Hawaii.
Coronado’s most notable expedition was his search for the mythical Seven Cities of Gold, which he believed were located in the southwestern United States. He led an expedition of over 300 men, including Spanish conquistadors, Mexican Indians, and African slaves, from Mexico to the present-day southwestern United States.
Hernando de Soto was a Spanish explorer and conquistador who was involved in expeditions in Nicaragua and the Yucatan Peninsula. He played an important role in Francisco Pizarro's conquest of the Inca Empire in Peru, but is best known for leading the first European expedition deep into the territory of the modern-day United States (through Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and most likely Arkansas). He is the first European documented as having crossed the Mississippi River.
De Soto's North American expedition was a vast undertaking. It ranged throughout what is now the southeastern United States, searching both for gold, which had been reported by various Native American tribes and earlier coastal explorers, and for a passage to China or the Pacific coast.
He died May 21, 1542 at age 41.
Aren’t they a sovereign people who can tell Uncle to stick it? The White Mountain Apache Tribe over in Arizona manages its own forest lands without interference from the Feds.
I know the Indians are not super into forest management either these days. And you do have a point. I know a few people down there who lost their insurance in the last year or two. And someone who just moved there in April had hell finding it.
A San Diego hotel and a former automobile respectively
I went to White Mountain res a year ago. Horrifying.
As you left Pinetop headed south on the highway, suddenly you the clean neat homes gave way to shacks straight out of the 1930s.
My wife noticed how bad the houses were there and didn’t know we had crossed into the res. I told her we just crossed into socialism. Nobody here owns the land their house sits on and can’t sell it.
Then we stopped at Hawley Lake. I cannot describe how bad it was. Looked like a great little fishing lake from the 70s with cabins, a store, rentals, etc. But all the cabins and lake houses were build on land the tribe leased out in the 1950s. (Some of John Wayne’s Islands in the Sky was filmed there when it was frozen over)
The leases ended and the tribe took over the property. They are all abandoned and uninhabitable today. Roof falling in, windows all broken out. It’s like one of those “After the people are gone” TV shows.
They don’t even have the decency or energy to tear them down.
I have plenty of respect for the Indians back when. But these today are lazy and greedy bums that are among the worst stewards of the land imaginable.
James Watt said it. If you want to see the failure of socialism don’t go to the USSR, go to an Indian Reservation.
Damn! When you key in close with that Watchduty map you see lots of homes impacted. Whether all have burned is unknown.
ABQ Journal reports the remains of a badly burned man were found by the Swiss Chalet Inn.
We had a small fire near us that started on a clear day, but there had been lightning in previous days, sometimes they can smolder.
Thanks for pinging the NM list.
Yahte hey. Born in Roswell. Grew up on Boy Scout mountain and Pine Lodge road on the north side.
This is just crazy. Talking to the wife about the wind that day. We had friends from California, New Mexico, Texas, Kansas, Indiana, and Virginia all reporting the crazy high winds with wind and hail. Even the Kansan’s were complaining about the wind.
Now Ruidoso is burning? Its officially FUBAR and beyond with accusations of arson coming out!!. Love and prayers to the folks affected by this fire.
DeSoto didn’t make it past Texas.
That does happen. But it hasn’t been stormy there that I’m aware of. And by now they would know for sure if it was a lightning strike. NOAA runs a site showing every single positive and negative lightning strike by fate and time.
Also in the forest if you go there you find an exploded tree or other evidence of the strike at the source.
But those can smolder a long time.
But I think they would know by now.
Do either of them fight fires? Maybe have foam dropping aircraft?
If not, who cares?
I have a house there, too. Not excited by the idiots bringing up trivia in such a time as this.
Prayers up, hope this thing stays away from you.
Incredible pictures, can’t imagine what it looks like in person.
*DeSoto didn’t make it past Texas.*
Interesting. Did Cortez?
I didn’t ping the list! Just saw a couple of names on a post.
You would think, but no.
The BIA manages everything. And steals everything.
For their “protection.”
The Mescalero have oil properties and are the most capitalistic, Republican, native tribe I know of.
I married into it, so I know them well. My wife wears her “Students for Reagan/Bush” pin at every Republican gathering.
They are well-aware of good land stewardship, but have been stymied since the Obama administration.
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