Kremlin says Kyiv's backers will face consequences after Putin says he may arm West's enemies

Reuters ^ | 6/4/24 | Dymitry Antonov and Andrew Osborn

[hardspunned]

MOSCOW, June 6 (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Thursday that Western nations which supply Ukraine with weapons to directly strike Russian territory will definitely face consequences after President Vladimir Putin said he was considering arming the West's enemies in retaliation. Speaking with senior editors of international news agencies in St Petersburg on Wednesday, the Russian leader said Moscow was thinking about supplying advanced long-range weapons - of a similar nature to those the West is giving Ukraine - to the West's adversaries around the world.

[FLT-bird]

You are ignorant if you think there isn’t a Deep State which has effectively controlled American foreign policy for quite some time.

There are very few “Russia supporters” in the US. What there are a good number of are Americans who are sick and tired of hugely wasteful forever wars that are not in the national interest.

[FLT-bird]

So many fictions.

So many denials of reality

[FLT-bird]

You have it backwards. It was Putin who decided to keep Russia in the former Soviet “cold war” state with the west, and kept abrogating arms treaty conditions he had agreed to, which was brought up in the Senate repeatedly for years.

No. You have it backwards. Russia was not in a "Cold War" state with the west. Look at Russia's defense spending. It was miniscule in comparison to ours. Abrogating arms treaties....like the ABM for example? Like the Minsk Agreement?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

I noticed that too!

Makes sense.

Propaganda is propaganda.

Those who buy into it without critical thinking, tend to continue down that path.

[delta7]

Russia is planning a major naval exercise in the Caribbean soon, and rightfully so. Imagine the panic ( glee) among our war cheerleaders…..

Maybe if the Chinese participate, it will finally “ awaken” our brain dead leadership and war cheerleaders….trade and commerce ( both destroyed by the West) is what promotes Peace and Prosperity, not US’s forever wars.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

TRUTH
“Putin who decided to keep Russia in the former Soviet “cold war” state with the west, and kept abrogating arms treaty conditions he had agreed to, which was brought up in the Senate repeatedly for years.”

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A few days after Putin put Belousov in Shoigu’s place, he gathered Gerasimov, Belousov and Shoigu and publicly promised that he would no longer ‘harass’ generals and put them in jail.

However, two days later he continued to do so. In particular, the president jailed General Popov, commander of the 58th Army, who had spoken out against Gerasimov. Putin was afraid that the latter would repeat the fate of Prigozhin and ‘march to Moscow’, but unlike the latter he will not stop.

Ukrainian international journalist Oleksandr Demchenko said this in an interview with Oleksiy Gomon, which can be seen on the Dmytro Gordon YouTube channel.

Putin is afraid of Russian generals, that’s why he is ‘mopping them up’. At the same time, some of the generals are even in a more combative mood than Putin himself, some are just corrupt, but for the most part they are people who can potentially resist Putin. Not the regime, but Putin, the analyst stressed.

According to Demchenko, the generals want money, and all the flows are concentrated in the hands of Putin and the Chekists. And the former ask themselves the question: why don’t we own these flows?

Russian generals are a truly dangerous force that can bring out an army against Putin, the journalist believes.
‘Putin said a key phrase during his inauguration for a reason. He said that he had given a task to the security forces to prevent turmoil, which means that he assumed at that moment that turmoil in Russia was possible. And now we can see, after the purge of generals has begun, who, in Putin’s opinion, could have organized this turmoil,’ the expert explained.

Recently, Russian military court has rejected a request to transfer Major General Ivan Popov to house arrest and ruled to keep him in pre-trial detention for two months.

Popov, whose May 17 arrest was first reported, is accused of misappropriating more than 130 million rubles or$1.5 million worth of metal purchased as “humanitarian aid” by Russian occupying authorities in southern Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region.

Popov previously oversaw the defense of Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia as commander of the 58th Guards Combined Arms Army.

He was relieved from that post last summer after complaining about systemic mismanagement within the armed forces directly to the military’s top brass.”

[Petrosius]

You should not make rash judgments about others. Born and raised in the US for over 60 years; served five years in the Army; of Italian heritage, not Polish or Lithuanian; and I am quite familiar with both our Founding Fathers and the Constitution. If you were familiar with my other postings here on Free Republic you would have known that. Contrary to your desires, there are plenty of rock solid conservatives that support Ukraine against Russian aggression. Indeed, opposing Soviet/Russian aggression was once a hallmark of conservatism; it was the Left that wanted to them get away with it.

[Petrosius]

NATO expanded because the former captive nations sought it as protection against an aggressive Russia, not because aggression on NATO's part. Russia is upset not because it fears a NATO attack, but because the NATO umbrella prevents them acting as a great power intimidating former subject nations. This goes double for Ukraine, which Putin et alii consider to still be properly a part of Russia. No one in NATO has any ambitions to invade Russia. Such would be foolish. It is you who need to get the historical facts.

[Redmen4ever]

For two years, we heard that Russia is advancing, advancing, advancing. Now we are being told, Russia never actually wanted to conquer Ukraine. Even, didn’t invade Ukraine at all. Russia is just defending itself from NATO. All Russia wants is Ukraine to not join NATO.

For two years, we’ve been told that Russia is NOT being hurt by Ukraine. Russia’s economy is stronger than ever! But now we hear, Russia will do to the west what the west is doing to Russia. Really? Make the economy of the west stronger than ever? Obviously, Russia is being hurt bad by the combination of sanctions and strategic bombing by Ukraine.

As to the threat to arm the enemies of the west, Russia has been doing this since during the Cold War. And which way has the dial gone? Russia’s fomenting of revolutionaries in Latin America is down to three countries (Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela).

In the Middle East, Russia is down to Iran and its circle of terrorists (Shia Iraq, Shia Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis in Yemen). We stand with Israel and the Sunni Arabs. The bad guys are already at war with us in the Middle East. They sent something like 300 missiles, drones, etc., at Israel, and only a handful got through our air defense systems. The Ukes, on the other hand, fly drones deep into Russia to attack Russian oil refineries.

In Africa, Russia is cozying up to certain dictators, mostly in the God-forsaken Sahel region of that continent. Russia provides those dictators with a palace guard to protect them from internal rivals. It is a totally pathetic situation. And, because of its increasingly desperate situation in Ukraine, Russia has been withdrawing forces from Africa for re-deployment to Ukraine.

Putin, you made a big mistake invading Ukraine. Arresting generals, threatening nuclear war, and threatening terrorism won’t work. Reducing your demands to only part of Ukraine and to the disarming of the remainder is unacceptable. When you accept that you have to withdraw your forces from Ukraine, we can talk.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“You should not make rash judgments about others... Contrary to your desires, there are plenty of rock solid conservatives that support Ukraine against Russian aggression. Indeed, opposing Soviet/Russian aggression was once a hallmark of conservatism; it was the Left that wanted to them get away with it.”

TRUTH

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

[Wuli]

“No. You have it backwards. Russia was not in a “Cold War” state with the west. Look at Russia’s defense spending. It was miniscule in comparison to ours. “

It was never a matter of “defense spending”. It was a matter of military posture and in that Putin as I said kept abrogating missile treaties he had agreed to, showing he was NOT trying to end Soviet/Russian hostile stance toward the west.

[hardspunned]

What a big load of crap.

[Wuli]

“One look at a NATO expansion map since 1991 is fact enough.”

Again, that by itself pretends it happened in a vaccuum of no actions at all by Putin setting Eestern European nations pondering his intentions.

[JonPreston]

When did you first embrace globalism?

[delta7]

and I am quite familiar with both our Founding Fathers and the Constitution.
—————

John Quincy Adams,July 4, 1821, when he reminded Congress that America “goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.”

Thomas Jefferson, “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations...entangling alliances with none”

You claim to be familiar, but you have failed to heed our Founding Fathers advice.

[bert]

You don’t even know what globalism is.

[JonPreston]

Biden demonstrates a globalist foreign policy and you embrace it. Why do you like it?

[FLT-bird]

It was never a matter of “defense spending”. It was a matter of military posture and in that Putin as I said kept abrogating missile treaties he had agreed to, showing he was NOT trying to end Soviet/Russian hostile stance toward the west.

Russia has not been trying to conquer the world, reform the Soviet Union or any other ridiculous BS the neocons habitually accuse it of. It has intervened in Georgia and Ukraine when the governments of each were stomping on their Russian minorities. Other than that, it is not Russia which has gone all over the world getting involved in constant wars. Its the US that has done that at the behest of the Deep State.

Russia was promised NATO would not expand eastward when they let the wall fall and allowed East Germany to reunite with West Germany. Then NATO expanded and gobbled up much of the old Warsaw pact. Then NATO expanded again and even included former parts of the Soviet Union. NATO's air defense systems and others moved eastward with expansion. Who was all of that aimed at? Russia of course.

Russia said over and over again starting around 2005 or so that it could live with the two waves of NATO expansion but Ukraine was a red line. It would not tolerate NATO expansion into Ukraine. Did that stop the West from pushing to get Ukraine into NATO? Not one bit.

Why? Why is it SO important that Ukraine be in NATO? Why is it "necessary" for America's national defense that a country half a world away be included? Why did anybody think it wise to do away with the buffer zone between Russia and NATO? If you take a step back and look, you can see that it is not Russia that has been the aggressor over the last 30 years. Its America/NATO that has done that. I await the inevitable childish namecalling eg "Tool of Putin!!!" etc for pointing out these facts.

[Redmen4ever]

Hi Hardspunned. Maybe when the vodka wears off, you’ll be able to say something rational.