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Germany okays Ukraine's use of German-supplied weapons on targets in Russia following US policy change
Fox News ^ | May 31, 2024

Posted on 05/31/2024 4:37:51 AM PDT by McGruff

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To: McGruff

WW3 before November is the primary DNC goal

they don’t give a rat’s petooti where so long as they can provoke it on time before the election


41 posted on 05/31/2024 7:12:25 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They're excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: faithhopecharity

War means they can pass the “Mother of all Sedition Acts”, and jail Trump, and any MAGA supporter for no reason.


42 posted on 05/31/2024 7:13:04 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Jumper; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; ...

Ukraine ping

Jumper: [Those Russians in Syria were Wagner contractors. With 30,000 Russian headed to Syria in July and August, do you really think gloating about killing 300 Russians in Syria is something to wave in Putin’s face or to taunt Russia over?
I am sure with 30,000 additional Russia troops in Syria (20,000 more in Africa), that the US illegally occupying part of Syria they are going to be repaid. Now that Biden has decided to send targeting data and technicans to attack Russia directly, don’t whine if Russia gives the US a black eye in Syria and runs us out. Then too there is the issue of Israel.

There is also the issue of taking two or three radars in Russia - open source analysis states this was done to allow the fleet in Bahrain open access to launch missiles undetected against Russia. Do you really think that fleet is going to be allowed to sit there with the Russian homeland blinded by US strikes under the guise of Ukraine with their nuclear missiles?

I really think we are headed to a day when Britian wakes up and their North Sea Oil platforms are all disabled or destroyed. The day when France’s remaining colonies’ are under assault by proxies, and the US is overwhelemed rushing the remnants of the survivors in Syria and Iraq home.

The day is coming when NATO sends their troops and Russia brings in Afghanis, Iranians, Syrians, North Koreans, etc.

NATO will economically implode because they thought they could make Russia economically implode - it is actually too funny watching the woke DNC mind try to push it’s BS at the world level.]


I was merely addressing the threat of a Russian nuclear first strike. We are in an era where national leaders are nuclear hostages. The metaphorical shotgun pointed at Putin’s head that is attached to his nuclear trigger keeps him from striking NATO with nukes.

Wagner was and is an arm of the Russian government. Its criminal rackets simply do not cover its expenses.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group
[On 27 June 2023, President Putin, while declaring an investigation into Wagner Group spending, confirmed that the Russian state fully funded it from the country’s defense budget and state budget. From May 2022 to May 2023 alone, the Russian state paid 86.262 billion RUB to the group, approximately $1 billion.[157] Putin in the past frequently denied any links between Russian state and “Wagner” and insisted it’s a “private military company”.[158][159]

Before that, many Russian and Western observers[who?] believed that the organization does not actually exist as a private military company but is in reality a disguised branch of the Russian MoD that ultimately reports to the Russian government.[160][161][162][163] The company shares bases with the Russian military,[164] is transported by Russian military aircraft,[165][166][167] and uses Russia’s military health care services.[168][169][66] The Russian state is also documented supporting the Wagner Group with passports.[66][170]

The legal status of private military companies in Russia is vague: on one hand, Russian legislation explicitly prohibits “illegal armed formations and mercenary groups”, but at the same time the Russian state does not prosecute numerous PMCs employing Russians and operating in Russia, including but not limited to Wagner. Viktor Ozerov once hinted that this ban does not apply for companies “registered abroad” and in such case “Russia is not legally responsible for anything”. This vagueness was interpreted as a tool that enables the Russian state to selectively allow operations of PMCs it needs, while preventing creation of any PMCs that would create a risk for Putin and at the same time manage plausible deniability for their actions.[171][172]

As result, a number of PMCs appear to have been operating in Russia, and in April 2012 Vladimir Putin, speaking in the State Duma as Russian prime minister, endorsed the idea of setting up PMCs in Russia.[173][174] Several military analysts described Wagner as a “pseudo-private” military company that offers the Russian military establishment certain advantages such as ensuring plausible deniability, public secrecy about Russia’s military operations abroad, as well as about the number of losses.[175][173][176] Thus, Wagner contractors have been described as “ghost soldiers”, due to the Russian government not officially acknowledging them.[177]]


The fig leaves is for PR purposes. When Wagner carries out atrocities, they aren’t associated with the Russian government.

But the fact remains - a nuclear attack on the West means not just Putin’s demise, but Russia’s extinction. No people, no country. Russia can recover from conquest and occupation. It certainly survived the Mongols. It will never recover from the physical extermination will follow a nuclear attack on the US. Hence, no Russian nuclear first strike.


43 posted on 05/31/2024 7:23:09 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Jumper

Ukraine is getting its own AWACS, Russia may have that many personnel, but they have a big country that they have to hold together by force.

If they could have unleashed this might they would have by now

Recruiting 30000 a month while losing at least that many each month is not a recipe for success

Now that the “untouchable” parts of Russias norther “offensive” will be targeted by western weapons, let’s see how they hold up.


44 posted on 05/31/2024 7:34:51 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: Zhang Fei

Justification of expenses? Russia spends one thousand dollars per artillery round and we spend over eight thousand dollars....

Nuclear extinction of Russia, a country that is 1/7 of the world’s land mass.

Biden is not a hostage of nuclear threats, he is the chief corruption pinnacle of world politics. He doesn’t care about anyone but himself.

The Biden Admin spoke openly 16 months ago about winning a LIMITED NUCLEAR CONFLICT WITH RUSSIA. These people have simply gone underground. The woke are sadly under the delusion that they can trample the world and remake it in their sexually deviant image. Biden showering with his naked 11-year granddaughter, the fish rots from the head first.

I think the white house staffers will soil themselves and need depends themselves after any limited nuclear strike over Ukraine. Do you really think the Pentagon is going to take actions to attack Russia over Ukraine if Russia uses 30-40 tactical nukes one morning over there. Do you really think that there will be not be protests world wide to stop the insanity? Sure Putin might step down, but his former bodyguard is going to take his place. NATO is ill prepared to counter a tactical strike over Ukraine. Germany, France, Britian, Poland, etc., all do not want to be hit with 400 strategic nuclear weapons when the Pentagon decieds to destroy Russia.

The diplomatic community, minus Blinken, will decide that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. There will be a sober recognition that Russia was threatened by NATO escalations in ways that led to the moment Russia decided to send a warning with a very limited tactical strike against NATO forces targeting Russia in Ukraine - this will then end with a netural Ukraine, a NATO withdrawal, and new management all over Europe and the USA as the Marxists are run out of government. People will probably embrace God for a moment as opposed to WWII when he died in Europe.

Only idiots believe even the most woke wouldn’t pause and understand any nuclear strike on Russia by the US would result in the same thing happening here.

Times have changed when a woke Biden Admin spoke of winning a limited nuclear war over Ukraine. Is it any wonder we are going to see that moment when pride is swallowed and peace talks ruin the entire Biden foreign policy.

America is a war based economy today.


45 posted on 05/31/2024 7:42:13 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: blitz128

How does an AWACS work. Hint: It is networked to collect data from air, ground and space and it shares will all allied countires in real time. This answers the question as where the data comes from - it comes from all NATO sources on the ground, in the Air, and from Space or Earth Orbit. Ukraine has little or no indignant sources of this data except on the line of combat - everything else comes from NATO and is linked to NATO/CIA command centers.

I spent time in the 36th Signal Battlaion providing NATO support for the SHAPE/Geilenkirchen communications footprint.

The aircraft is able to detect, track, identify and report potentially hostile aircraft operating at low altitudes, as well as provide fighter control of Allied aircraft. It can simultaneously track and identify maritime contacts, and provide coordination support to Allied surface forces.

NATO incorporated a system-of-systems approach, including A combination of air, ground, SPACE or unmanned systems NETWORKED together to collect and SHARE information.

Do you really think any country is simply going to give Ukraine access to the technology and control of a plane with the most secret military and communications technologies we have? Do you think the two aircraft being provided will be crewed by host nation members and that nobody from Ukraine will even be on board.


46 posted on 05/31/2024 7:55:09 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Kazan

As predicted by Alex and Alexander...

no reverse gear


47 posted on 05/31/2024 7:59:50 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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Thanks Zhang Fei.

48 posted on 05/31/2024 8:00:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: JonPreston

Not the first time you hinted you are Russian - no cover for you.


49 posted on 05/31/2024 8:00:32 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: McGruff
The German government said Friday that Ukraine the German army can use German-supplied weapons against Russian attacks from positions just over the joint border between The Ukraine and The Russia

fixed it.

50 posted on 05/31/2024 8:01:32 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: JonPreston
NATO is about to receive a comeuppance the likes of which the world has never seen.

I think that The Russia and The Putin should rub out the Baltic anklebiters first thing.

51 posted on 05/31/2024 8:02:22 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: JonPreston

I feel a sudden hunger for pancakes with cheese...


52 posted on 05/31/2024 8:04:02 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: PIF
Not the first time you hinted you are Russian

Does a red nose and floppy shoes come with your Clown outfit?

53 posted on 05/31/2024 8:04:20 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: McGruff
At this point, why don't we just go all out in a real war?

We're backing Ukraine as long as it takes, and it's taking too long. It's time we attack Russia ourselves, and give up on Ukraine trying to do it for us.

54 posted on 05/31/2024 8:04:54 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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Thanks Zhang Fei.

55 posted on 05/31/2024 8:06:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: kiryandil

lol. Lithuanian will probably go first. Hold the pickled herring!


56 posted on 05/31/2024 8:07:52 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: SunkenCiv

:P


57 posted on 05/31/2024 8:08:51 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: canuck_conservative; JonPreston
Hunka!

You've been missing in action! We did NotSee you around here!

Meetings at The Project?

58 posted on 05/31/2024 8:09:20 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: JonPreston
Wonder if the Ukrainians will greet the Germans with bread this time?


59 posted on 05/31/2024 8:09:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

I think most are still Nazis themselves :P


60 posted on 05/31/2024 8:11:23 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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