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A proxy war...China’s support for Russia...Without Beijing’s help, Moscow might still continue its war, but it would do so in a weakened state
nytimes.com ^ | May 28, 2024 | German Lopez

Posted on 05/28/2024 8:36:26 AM PDT by daniel1212

Over the last few weeks, a Russian blitz has claimed more than a dozen villages in northeast Ukraine, near the country’s second-largest city. This summer, Russia will likely continue its offensive push...

Russia’s ability to carry out these attacks is in some ways surprising. War is expensive...Yet Moscow has managed to keep paying for its war machine....

to China, the benefits of a Russian victory in Ukraine may outweigh the costs.

Among those benefits: The war has entangled the U.S. and its allies in a faraway conflict, straining the U.S. military’s ammunition stockpiles. It has made Russia, a big military power, more dependent on China. It has also been instructive: China has ambitions to invade Taiwan, and it has watched Russia’s gamble to see the world’s response — one that has exposed the limits of America’s reach.

How? U.S. officials point to China.

China has vowed not to send weapons to Russia. But it has supported Russia’s economy by buying oil and expanding other kinds of trade. Russia uses the revenue from that trade to manufacture weapons. It has also bought parts for these weapons from China, according to U.S. officials: Last year, Russia got 90 percent of its microelectronic imports from China, using them for missiles, tanks and planes...

Of course, Washington and its allies have also provided support, including actual weapons, to Ukraine. From that angle, the war looks more like part of the broader contest between the U.S. and China — what some analysts call a new cold war — than a one-off conflict. “We are headed into 30 or 40 years of superpower competition and confrontation,” said my colleague David Sanger, who covers national security and recently published the book “New Cold Wars.” Ukraine is just the current front.... More International News

(Excerpt) Read more at messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; China; Foreign Affairs; Government; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: chess; military; war; ww3
Excerpts of excerpt. Related: US jamming technology is significantly worse than Russia's, ex-Pentagon officials warn 5/26/2024, 12:15:20 PM · by Ultra Sonic 007 · 72 replies Business Insider ^ | May 14th, 2024 | Tom Porter
1 posted on 05/28/2024 8:36:26 AM PDT by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212
C'mon Xi, give a fella a hand here.


2 posted on 05/28/2024 8:38:46 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: daniel1212

Russia is in a weakened state, even with China’s help.

No country can escape being weakened with a prolonged war, where Russia has suffered hundreds of thousands dead and maimed or simply injured. Then, when it comes to the economy, Russia has had to spend perhaps trillions (in dollars) and a lot more in equipment losses. That’s highly impactful and nowhere close to negligible.

But, yeah, without China’s help, Russia might’ve had to pull back from its invasion of Ukraine. As such, Russia needs to be punished and made to suffer in its economy, but forcing them to fund the rebuilding of Ukraine.


3 posted on 05/28/2024 8:42:37 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: daniel1212
Also:

Navy Admiral warns Russian and Chinese nationals are trying to infiltrate US military bases....amid an 8,000% surge in Chinese migrants at southern border

As infiltration of Wokism via enlistment has been progressing, then such may infiltration more successful if identifying accordingly.

4 posted on 05/28/2024 8:42:57 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212
A proxy war...China’s Deep State's support for Russia Ukraine...Without Beijing’s Washington's help, Moscow Ukraine might still continue its war, but it would do so in a weakened state
5 posted on 05/28/2024 8:47:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: BipolarBob

All the idiots around here who parrot KGB (FSB) talking points about “Christian Russia” vs “Fascists” need to see who’s really pulling Russia’s strings and realize that Russia would never draw down their Asian defenses so much if they weren’t 100% doing the bidding of the Chinese. Russia has MILLIONS Of square miles of unused land that China would and is killing for.


6 posted on 05/28/2024 9:10:02 AM PDT by dangus
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7 posted on 05/28/2024 9:13:01 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: BipolarBob

All the idiots around here who parrot KGB (FSB) talking points about “Christian Russia” vs “Fascists” need to see who’s really pulling Russia’s strings and realize that Russia would never draw down their Asian defenses so much if they weren’t 100% doing the bidding of the Chinese. Russia has MILLIONS Of square miles of unused land that China would and is killing for.


8 posted on 05/28/2024 9:15:25 AM PDT by dangus
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To: daniel1212

9 posted on 05/28/2024 9:22:20 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: daniel1212
Will China’s bet pay off? It depends on the conflict’s outcome.

If the U.S. and its allies were to stop supporting Ukraine and it lost the war, China’s biggest partner would come out on top. The West would not look as strong or united as it once was. Knowing this, China might become more aggressive in its territorial claims in Taiwan, the South China Sea and elsewhere.

But if the West remained united and Ukraine won, the opposite would be true. Russia would be weakened and embarrassed. The U.S. and its allies would have proved that they remained formidable. And China might reconsider if it could afford to take aggressive action to expand its borders.

If Ukraine wins....

If all the trees in Ukraine turn out to be Ents, and the Ents march on Russia, joined by an army of Unicorns, Ukraine may win.

China's bet of buying cheap oil and maintaining trade with Russia is simply China acting in the best interest of China.

The West sanctioning itself has only resulted in recessions in the West, and a predictably losing war effort in Ukraine. Only in zeeper propaganda does Ukraine have any chance to defeat Russia. In the real world, the Ukrainian army, and much of Ukraine, is being destroyed.

10 posted on 05/28/2024 9:38:34 AM PDT by woodpusher
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“Black Colonel” V. Alksnis, 05/26/24: Viktor Imantovich Alksnis, people’s deputy of the USSR, deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation of two convocations.

https://t.me/blackcolonel2020/1388

As for the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ strikes on our missile attack warning system and the disabling of two radars of this system, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that there will be no retaliatory strikes.

Firstly, there is practically nothing to respond with, with the exception of tactical nuclear weapons.

Secondly, our leadership in this regard completely lacks political will and determination to go to the end.

And thirdly, during V. Putin’s recent visit to China, President V. Putin and Chairman Xi in the final documents recorded the inadmissibility of the use of nuclear weapons.

And it seems to me that behind these agreements, first of all, lies Chairman Xi’s ban on such use, and President V. Putin was forced to take on such an obligation.


11 posted on 05/28/2024 9:49:26 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: All

Nothing can be believed that was not factual pre 2022.

For example, “90% of microelectronics imports are from China”. Note the phrasing. 90% of imports. Not 90% of all microelectronics.

Russia has foundries that produce 28 nm chips en masse, and even more foundries that produce 45 nm chips en masse.

The splashed announcements of sub 10 nm chips out of TMSC via ATML are for the very highest end smartphones and graphics engines.

The 28 and 45 nm technology is for the bulk of society, for cars, WiFi, GPS (Glonass), bluetooth, nearly all appliances.

So when an article says 90% of imports are from China, that doesn’t mean 90% of semiconductors in use in Russia are from China. All the pre 2022 evidence you might search for is very clear that self sufficiency exists there.

The following video is a channel that existed on Youtube pre 2022. He’s Australian. Not a propaganda conduit, and make no mistake here, such things do exist. That’s why it’s best to look for the oldest video a channel has and if it is pre 2022.

This is an old car show, outside Moscow. Filmed a year ago. So May 2023. Vast majority of those cars have chips in them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphqUsin2Qc

(btw notice all the military age men wandering around. The claims that they all fled Russia clearly wrong)


12 posted on 05/28/2024 10:00:12 AM PDT by Owen (.)
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To: adorno

Not sure how “weakened” Russia is. The ruble is steady well below the 100/dollar benchmark, and the GDP is growing about 5% recently. China has helped them but remember, much of the rest of world doesn’t much care about this Western war, and have few scruples about doing business with Russia. The image of Russia as a weak feeble country propped up by China is a media fiction.


13 posted on 05/28/2024 10:02:11 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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Not sure how “weakened” Russia is.

Russia's economy has always been weak. The Russian economy today is a big higher, but only because of the war-time status, where they're selling oil at a higher price, which is a boost. However, most (if not all) of the boost is being used for war purposes, which leaves the Russian people still very poor.

Russia was known as a world-power, but only because of its huge military and its nuclear weapons. When it comes to the economy, Russia was NEVER a world power, and still isn't. In fact, there are at least 10 other economies in he world that are much larger than Russia's. Russia is still a third-world economy, wartime or not. Were it not for China's help, Russia would be a completely ruined economy by now, and would have had to stop the invasion.
14 posted on 05/28/2024 10:55:04 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: daniel1212

But as usual, I guess because China has a lot of money to toss around, no one in Congress will do a damn thing to punish them.


15 posted on 05/28/2024 1:26:31 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: adorno

“As such, Russia needs to be punished and made to suffer in its economy, but forcing them to fund the rebuilding of Ukraine.”

This hope is in the pigs flying category. Russia is winning this war.


16 posted on 05/28/2024 8:08:13 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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This hope is in the pigs flying category. Russia is winning this war.

Actually, Russia won the war two years ago, and they're still winning now, and will be winning the war 10 years from now. That's called winning with no end in sight. Putin will be dead and Russia will still be 'winning'. The sun will turn into a red giant, and Russia will still be winning.
17 posted on 05/28/2024 8:15:05 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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