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George Barna identifies biggest threats facing the Church: 'We've reached a time of Christian invisibility'
The Christian Post ^ | May 21, 2024 | Leah MarieAnn Klett, Assistant Editor

Posted on 05/23/2024 9:05:27 AM PDT by fwdude

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — George Barna, a leading expert in church and worldview trends, has weighed in on some of the biggest issues facing the Church — including the steady decrease in a biblical worldview and dwindling concern for spiritual formation — at a time of "Christian invisibility in our culture."

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“People have become more selfish, churches have become less influential, pastors have become less Bible-centric,” Barna, who now serves as the director of research at the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University, said.

(Excerpt) Read more at christianpost.com ...


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I take all "polls" I read these days with a healthy grain of salt, but Barna seems to be a more intellectually honest pollster with statistically valid methods.

I tend to believe these trends, which are absolutely chilling if you are a biblical Christian. The number of pastors and other Christian leaders which have a worldly view of Christianity is horrific.

1 posted on 05/23/2024 9:05:27 AM PDT by fwdude
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The number of pastors and other Christian leaders which have a worldly view of Christianity is horrific.

“And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:12-13).
Lawlessness is certainly abounding.

2 posted on 05/23/2024 9:08:55 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: BipolarBob

Amen. Completely agree.


3 posted on 05/23/2024 9:09:56 AM PDT by fwdude ( )
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[absolutely chilling if you are a biblical Christian]

Leftists took over a significant operation (unnamed) of a certain denomination. I don’t want to name the denomination because it would not be fair to their mostly-conservative members.

I had no idea what I was walking into.


4 posted on 05/23/2024 9:10:06 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

I think I know the name of the Denom. I was a lifelong member of it until the last 10 years.


5 posted on 05/23/2024 9:11:37 AM PDT by fwdude ( )
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To: BipolarBob; fwdude

[except there come a falling away first]

(For me, “that Day” is the Day of the Lord - YMMV)

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 King James Version (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


6 posted on 05/23/2024 9:12:38 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

All of this makes post-millennialism a head scratcher for me.


7 posted on 05/23/2024 9:14:28 AM PDT by fwdude ( )
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To: fwdude

They could not figure out why conservative churches were not purchasing their liberal junk.

Quote something from the Bible and there were a few that were almost apoplectic. And animated.


8 posted on 05/23/2024 9:14:41 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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Too many Christians have bought into liberal and leftist lies.

That’s the real problem.

Let’s start with how the left convinced Christians that evangelism is a sin and that being an evangelical Christian is right up there with being a Klansman.

Then they got most Christians to buy into the birth control and abortion culture.

They made us accept female pastors who are 99% leftist lesbian feminists...even when they have a husband and children.

They got us to stop talking about politics.

They got us to let them have their way in the schools.

They got us to accept a feminized pacifist form of Christianity that is purely heretical.

We need to insist on having actual MEN in the pulpit. The kind who will go out to a battlefield and tell the troops to “Give ‘em Watts!”.


9 posted on 05/23/2024 9:14:51 AM PDT by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: fwdude

yep


10 posted on 05/23/2024 9:15:21 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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If Paul were alive America’s churches would have received a slew of letters from him already. We are reaching to point in Revelation about the church no longer being effective and then being removed and the beginning of the end game...


11 posted on 05/23/2024 9:24:14 AM PDT by sarge83
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Too many Christians have bought into liberal and leftist lies.

One of the main ones being making Jesus into a feminized, sugar-coated, "loving" pushover, malleable to their bases desires. Even many Evangelical have bought into this characterization.

One of the common biblical depictions of Jesus is of a Lion. Another is of an unswayable Judge. He has a sword for a tongue.

They forget the actions of Jesus before he was glorified, beating people, turning over tables, name-calling when it was appropriate (often) and even condoning destruction ("shake the dust of your feet..."). Nope, not the popular "Jesus" taught in most churches.

12 posted on 05/23/2024 9:25:24 AM PDT by fwdude ( )
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To: sarge83

I think the play-out of the end time scene will progress in an exponential acceleration pretty soon. What used to take 10 years to develop will now take 10 weeks, and soon, 10 days.


13 posted on 05/23/2024 9:28:53 AM PDT by fwdude ( )
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I don’t know about all this. My former United[sic] Methodist Church brethren have done their part to be very visible lately.


14 posted on 05/23/2024 9:28:54 AM PDT by oldplayer
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Exactly! The question of “What Would Jesus Do?” includes the options of overturning tables, chasing people with whips, causing fruitless trees to wither and die, castigating hypocritical religious and political leaders, and abandoning the unsaved when they won’t repent.

Not exactly the faggoty castrated Jesus the leftist scum promote, is He?


15 posted on 05/23/2024 9:29:40 AM PDT by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: fwdude

Repentance is in order I guess the mirror is a first step but I think much more follows the look in the mirror.

All have sinned but there is hope.


16 posted on 05/23/2024 9:29:48 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: fwdude
I tend to believe these trends, which are absolutely chilling if you are a biblical Christian.

I believe them too. Parts of my Church think they are a social-welfare organization, sort of a Christian supplement to the vast government welfare state. Like the state - they need to "popular" too, particularly among people who could not care less about Christianity. I understand the need for evangelization, but IMHO, such efforts turn into political correctness, and run in parallel with our times, not against them.

17 posted on 05/23/2024 9:31:49 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: fwdude
You mean like this guy?:


18 posted on 05/23/2024 9:32:24 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: fwdude

Sadly, humans find their identity in everything but Christ. We are increasingly in times of maximum self-delusion and darkness is upon us to the point where many no longer know up from down.


19 posted on 05/23/2024 9:32:36 AM PDT by Paraclete
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[We are reaching to point in Revelation about the church no longer being effective and then being removed and the beginning of the end game...]

I think that’s correct. And yes, things seem to be moving ever-so-rapidly on certain fronts.


20 posted on 05/23/2024 9:33:44 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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