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I take all "polls" I read these days with a healthy grain of salt, but Barna seems to be a more intellectually honest pollster with statistically valid methods.

I tend to believe these trends, which are absolutely chilling if you are a biblical Christian. The number of pastors and other Christian leaders which have a worldly view of Christianity is horrific.

1 posted on 05/23/2024 9:05:27 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
The number of pastors and other Christian leaders which have a worldly view of Christianity is horrific.

“And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:12-13).
Lawlessness is certainly abounding.

2 posted on 05/23/2024 9:08:55 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: fwdude

[absolutely chilling if you are a biblical Christian]

Leftists took over a significant operation (unnamed) of a certain denomination. I don’t want to name the denomination because it would not be fair to their mostly-conservative members.

I had no idea what I was walking into.


4 posted on 05/23/2024 9:10:06 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: fwdude

Too many Christians have bought into liberal and leftist lies.

That’s the real problem.

Let’s start with how the left convinced Christians that evangelism is a sin and that being an evangelical Christian is right up there with being a Klansman.

Then they got most Christians to buy into the birth control and abortion culture.

They made us accept female pastors who are 99% leftist lesbian feminists...even when they have a husband and children.

They got us to stop talking about politics.

They got us to let them have their way in the schools.

They got us to accept a feminized pacifist form of Christianity that is purely heretical.

We need to insist on having actual MEN in the pulpit. The kind who will go out to a battlefield and tell the troops to “Give ‘em Watts!”.


9 posted on 05/23/2024 9:14:51 AM PDT by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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If Paul were alive America’s churches would have received a slew of letters from him already. We are reaching to point in Revelation about the church no longer being effective and then being removed and the beginning of the end game...


11 posted on 05/23/2024 9:24:14 AM PDT by sarge83
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I don’t know about all this. My former United[sic] Methodist Church brethren have done their part to be very visible lately.


14 posted on 05/23/2024 9:28:54 AM PDT by oldplayer
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Repentance is in order I guess the mirror is a first step but I think much more follows the look in the mirror.

All have sinned but there is hope.


16 posted on 05/23/2024 9:29:48 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: fwdude
I tend to believe these trends, which are absolutely chilling if you are a biblical Christian.

I believe them too. Parts of my Church think they are a social-welfare organization, sort of a Christian supplement to the vast government welfare state. Like the state - they need to "popular" too, particularly among people who could not care less about Christianity. I understand the need for evangelization, but IMHO, such efforts turn into political correctness, and run in parallel with our times, not against them.

17 posted on 05/23/2024 9:31:49 AM PDT by PGR88
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Sadly, humans find their identity in everything but Christ. We are increasingly in times of maximum self-delusion and darkness is upon us to the point where many no longer know up from down.


19 posted on 05/23/2024 9:32:36 AM PDT by Paraclete
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Christianity will not “find its way” until it cleans out Satan’s followers in its clergies.


24 posted on 05/23/2024 9:44:27 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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“ at a time of “Christian invisibility in our culture.”

That’s because so many churches have become part of the culture rot they’re now irrelevant and untrustworthy


27 posted on 05/23/2024 9:49:02 AM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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The threat is from within. Satan has infiltrated.


30 posted on 05/23/2024 10:03:49 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: fwdude; lightman; Navy Patriot

Orthodox Christian Priests are still totally Christian!

If you don’t like your current church and/or pastor, visit an Orthodox Church! We welcome catechumens and converts who are seeking a true Christian Church and a real Christian life!


33 posted on 05/23/2024 10:45:10 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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right. that’s because Barna handles mathematics, inferential statistics and baysian probability honestly. of course he’s a true believer, and on point when he says most churches today measure things that have no importance to Christ (i.e., #programs, attendance, offering, buildings, etc.), and he has determined (correctly in my experience) that professing Christians can’t even define what a disciple of Jesus is or is supposed to be doing. that is, ‘...one who would follow Me must pick up his cross daily and follow Me.’ in other words, continue to trust and obey Jesus in everything you do.

in Matt 28:18,19,20

‘...all authority is given to Me under heaven and on earth. Go, therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them all things I have commanded you...

that is teach the Gospel, the Word, the Way starting with with Jerusalem and then to the world. ‘teach,’ starting with yourself, your children, your family and friends, your local church and then, however you can, whatever your gift, out to your nation, and then to the nations if that is your calling. that is called the Great Commission and it is Truth.

carrying your ‘cross’ every day is in no way going to be easy. so you are deluded if you think you’re going to avoid suffering as a true believer, you will be tested in every way, ‘for to whomsoever much is given, much more is required.’ if you can/will do that, however, Jesus says He’ll be with you, always. the consolation is that we have an Advocate before the Father, and that if/when we fail, we will not be utterly cast down, but He will uphold us with is righteous right hand.


35 posted on 05/23/2024 12:20:59 PM PDT by dadfly
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While existing data captured church attendance and Bible sales, Barna identified a need for insights into what people believe, why they believe it, and how these beliefs translate into actions.


A haunting from the Truth Project was, “Do we really believe what we say we believe?”

Still haunts.


36 posted on 05/23/2024 12:27:02 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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we’ve reached a time of Christian invisibility in our culture. What I’m seeing now is that we’re getting to this place where the typical American … will not have anyone in their circle of influence who has a biblical worldview. You’re not going to be influenced with God’s truth.


Everyone knows what the Bible says without reading it.......................


37 posted on 05/23/2024 12:32:16 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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we’ve reached a time of Christian invisibility in our culture. What I’m seeing now is that we’re getting to this place where the typical American … will not have anyone in their circle of influence who has a biblical worldview. You’re not going to be influenced with God’s truth.


Everyone knows what the Bible says without reading it.......................


38 posted on 05/23/2024 12:32:17 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: fwdude

Glancing at headline, I thought it said George Burns.


40 posted on 05/23/2024 6:39:56 PM PDT by NetAddicted (MAGA2024)
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What I'm seeing is witch hunts with Christians as witches, not invisibility.
George Barna and I must be observing from different locations.
41 posted on 05/24/2024 4:55:44 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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