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LEAKED: The document that could have ended the Ukraine war in April 2022
X/Twitter ^ | Apr 26, 2024 · | What the media hides.

Posted on 04/27/2024 4:32:21 PM PDT by Kazan

LEAKED

The document that could have ended the Ukraine war in April 2022

Zelensky scrapped it under UK/US orders, directly leading to the dеаth of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and vast ongoing territorial losses

17 pages

- military neutrality
- outlaw extreme nationalism
- cede Crimea and part of Donbass

- full Russian withdrawal
- no further attасks
- guarantor countries (🇨🇳🇺🇸🇫🇷🇬🇧🇹🇷) obliged to intervene within 3 days if Russia invades

Details about the new Donbass borders would be discussed directly by Putin and Zelensky

Document at link


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To: Jonty30

This is a great post.

Russia is nothing close to the former USSR-

They are nowhere near the same threat.

He would love to expand his sphere of influence-his intentions are highly dependent on his pocketbook.


61 posted on 04/27/2024 7:20:28 PM PDT by Freest Republican
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To: Kazan
We first learned that Boris Johnson killed this peace deal from former Israeli Naftali Bennett.

That is not what Bennett said. Rather, he placed the blame on the revelations of the Bucha atrocities:“The Bucha massacre—once that happened I said, it’s over.” Even after Johnson's April 9 visit, Zelensky issued a statement on April 16 that he was open to a negotiated settlement with Russia. It was Putin who on April 11 declared that the peace talks were at a dead end.

Furthermore, Putin's chief envoy to Ukraine, Dmitry Kozak, has reported that before the invasion he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv for Ukraine to stay out of NATO, but that Putin rejected it because he had expanded his objectives to include annexing large parts of Ukraine.

So the story that there was a negotiated peace deal that was scuttled because of Boris Johnson's intervention is pure myth and Russian propaganda. This war is continuing because Putin wants it to continue, not because of any dark forces in the west.

62 posted on 04/27/2024 7:29:07 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Kazan
They had EVERY right to seek independence after an illegal coup throw Yanukovych out of office and/or join the Russian Federation.

They had the right to seek political redress within the context of the Ukrainian constitution, not independence. A political solution could have been found if not for Russia's 2014 invasion.

The ethnic Russian population was under no obligation to be persecuted and killed by Ukrainian nationalists that came to power illegally.

Since the alleged oppression and genocide of ethnic Russians did not happen, your point is moot.

63 posted on 04/27/2024 7:34:38 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

The truth since day 1-

the war will end when Putin chooses to end it or the world is flooded with oil.

That is the heart of all the false equivalence.


64 posted on 04/27/2024 7:35:05 PM PDT by Freest Republican
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To: Jonty30
He made speaking Russian illegal in Ukraine.

How many times is this lie going to be repeated? The language law did not make speaking Russian illegal. All it did was mandate the use of Ukrainian by state institutions and that Ukrainian had to be used alongside Russian in public media.

65 posted on 04/27/2024 7:37:39 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Jonty30
The ban was on the importation of books from Russia and Belarus, not the production of books in the Russian language within Ukraine.
66 posted on 04/27/2024 7:40:30 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

I don’t think it’s a lie and declaring it not a lie does not make it the truth.


67 posted on 04/27/2024 7:40:56 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Petrosius

Right. I’m sure that Ukranian publishers, under a hostile Ukranian government, will produce all the Russian books everybody wants.

You really don’t understand how things work. Russian books and culture will not be domestically produced. A ban on importation is a ban on the culture itself.


68 posted on 04/27/2024 7:44:45 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Petrosius

Right. I’m sure that Ukranian publishers, under a hostile Ukranian government, will produce all the Russian books everybody wants.

You really don’t understand how things work. Russian books and culture will not be domestically produced. A ban on importation is a ban on the culture itself.

A ban on the culture is a defacto ban on the people.


69 posted on 04/27/2024 7:48:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Jonty30
I don’t think it’s a lie and declaring it not a lie does not make it the truth.

Law of Ukraine "On protecting the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the state language". Now show me where it makes the speaking of Russian illegal.

70 posted on 04/27/2024 7:49:34 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Wikipedia censors a lot of information. For politics, it’s not a reliable source of information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/22/world/europe/zelensky-russian-ban-ukraine.html

We’ve already discussed the banning of Russian culture and it is confirmed.

The provision, which entered into force on January 16, is stipulated in article 25 of the law. It requires print media outlets registered in Ukraine to publish in Ukrainian. Publications in other languages must also be accompanied by a Ukrainian version, equivalent in content, volume, and method of printing. Additionally, places of distribution such as newsstands must have at least half their content in Ukrainian.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine


71 posted on 04/27/2024 7:53:33 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Jonty30

There is a large Russian speaking population in Ukraine and thus a market for Russian language books. The language law specifically allows them to be published. Russian was not banned before the invasion and is thus is not a justification for it.


72 posted on 04/27/2024 7:53:43 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Jonty30

So, as is said, the law does not ban the use of Russian. It just states that Ukrainian must be used alongside it. Oh, the horror!


73 posted on 04/27/2024 7:55:32 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Sure, there may be a large market for Russian language books, but where can they buy them when the Ukrainian government banned the importation of Russian books and culture? Do you really think and believe that Ukrainian media will supply those books and culture when the Ukrainian government is putting pressure on them to not produce them?

You are oblivious to the obvious. A ban on culture and language is a ban on the people. If my government banned importation of my language and culture and they fascistically pressured the media from producing my language and culture within the country, where would I get my language and culture needs met.

At this point, you are denying the obvious. You are salami slicing your way to tryng to argue the Ukrainian government hasn’t banned Russia, even though they’ve banned the ability to produce Russian culture within the country.


74 posted on 04/27/2024 8:01:20 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Kazan

You don’t recall all the news about the U.S. offering to evacuate the Ukrainian President and him rejecting it?


75 posted on 04/27/2024 8:01:57 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Petrosius

They don’t need a law to outlaw Russian culture and language when they’ve outlawed the institutional support for it.

It’s like when Democrats want to charge $10 tax on bullets and force gun owners to carry $2 million liability insurance per gun. They aren’t outlawing guns, but they are making it impossible to buy a gun just the same.

The hope is by removing the institutional support, it does. That’s killing it without passing a law to explicitly kill it.

It’s just the same.


76 posted on 04/27/2024 8:03:56 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Freest Republican
and Russia has been meddling in the US perpetually for well over a century.

Yes, like in the 2016 election!

Did you vote for Hillary?

77 posted on 04/27/2024 8:06:11 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Who reads Facebook ads?


78 posted on 04/27/2024 8:07:41 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Petrosius

It’s called bologna slicing towards a ban. That’s how the left works.


79 posted on 04/27/2024 8:09:01 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Kazan

The thing is that if the war had ended in April 2022, Putin gets to keep Crimea and the Donbass, Ukraine will immediately get peacekeepers from NATO countries. So I think the ceasefire was not possible at the time.


80 posted on 04/27/2024 8:09:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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