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The West has a deviancy problem Our moral confusion is proving suicidal
UnHerd ^ | March 21, 2024 | Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Posted on 03/28/2024 1:44:39 PM PDT by Twotone

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1 posted on 03/28/2024 1:44:39 PM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

This is our consequence for taking God out of the public square and our hearts and lives.


2 posted on 03/28/2024 1:49:35 PM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: Twotone

As far as I can see, at this point it’s really just demographics. We have far too many low class people who do not care at all for Western values. Those people are calling the tune now. There is a very small minority of people who cling to “standards”. And the vast majority of our society laugh at those losers and their stupid ideas.


3 posted on 03/28/2024 1:50:41 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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For some reason I tie the Kennedy name to an increase in deviance over my lifetime in the USA, with Ted being the most egregious wrecker of public discourse.

If you have a larger window into history, it is painfully obvious that the David and Goliath scenario applies. The evil is enormous and rampant, but is vanquished by One Man Who is true God, begotten of the Father from eternity, and also true Man, born of the Virgin Mary.


4 posted on 03/28/2024 1:57:41 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (In a world of parrots and lemmings, be a watchdog.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The really awful part is deviancy is now taught in our schools. The “enlightened west” is frowned upon by educators.


5 posted on 03/28/2024 1:57:50 PM PDT by Twotone (We have to stop punishing ourselves for considering things that once seemed crazy. - B. Weinstein)
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“Gulf funds for indoctrination of Palestinian children — may one day dry up.”

She praises the Gulf states for their Oct 7th condemnation of Hamas. Well, save the praise for when the money really does dry up, lady. It’s just politically expedient talk from them now. None of them should be trusted.


6 posted on 03/28/2024 2:00:07 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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The West won’t be the West if importing 3rd world trash is reversed.

Nothing is wrong with the dirt in non white countries.


7 posted on 03/28/2024 2:00:16 PM PDT by EEGator
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like many great empire the rot that is just below the surface , festers and makes itself known little by little and if accepted which in many cases it is, its protectors then force it upon those who fail to stand and fight. Hence the rot wins


8 posted on 03/28/2024 2:06:11 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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9 posted on 03/28/2024 2:08:06 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: ClearCase_guy
We have far too many low class people who do not care at all for Western values.

For a variety of reasons, Western societies have all but stopped or entirely stopped any serious penalties (social or legal) for anti-social behavior such as:

dishonesty

theft

divorce

violence

sexual deviancy & profligacy

Remember these used to be subject to strong (and occasionally violent) societal pressure as well as legal pressure.

A lot of this was the unrealistic idealism that followed the creation of extraordinarily well-ordered societies in the first half of the 20th century.

Having gotten the vast majority to behave themselves in public and to respect the civilizational canon, we forgot that a good plurality were only well behaved because of the social and legal pressure.

The combination of policies of deindustrialization and expansion of welfare were also allowed to create or even promote conditions of indolent poverty for a significant part of the population, where people could engage in anti-social behavior and be unemployable but not starve as a consequence. This has also created a vast new supply of miscreants from out of wedlock births and a parallel society where violence and crime are considered "normal".

I would add, however, that the fish rots from the head: the bad example presented by lying, thieving politicians and a rapacious business class that loots the companies they control, defrauding stockholders and impoverishing the working class shows how the governing class has zero loyalty to the society or norms that made it successful.

10 posted on 03/28/2024 2:12:05 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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“The reasons behind this, he said, were altruism, opportunism and denial — but the result was the same: an acceptance of mental pathology, broken families and crime as a fact of life.”

I prefer the term “pathological compassion”. We tend to overlook and even forgive bad behavior out of some sense of sick compassion and do-goodism. This is then exacerbated by opportunists and politicians who are always out for ways to exploit the system and make a buck or get power. Eventually they run the show and keep it going and growing.


11 posted on 03/28/2024 2:21:04 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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For a variety of reasons, Western societies have all but stopped or entirely stopped any serious penalties (social or legal) for anti-social behavior such as:

dishonesty

theft

divorce

violence

sexual deviancy & profligacy

The following are also more common than 60 years ago:

slovenliness in dress

poor hygiene

freakish appearance

poor work ethic

foul language

ill manners

Americans have become course, lazy, haughty, self-important, impudent yet easily offended.

12 posted on 03/28/2024 2:32:04 PM PDT by Angelino97
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1. When atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair had prayer taken out of schools.

2. When the Hays Code for movies was done away with in 1968. The movie producers then reshot scenes adding more blood, guts, most vile cursing, sex. Deviant sex to get the then coveted “R” or “X” ratings.


13 posted on 03/28/2024 2:45:17 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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14 posted on 03/28/2024 2:47:17 PM PDT by sauropod (Ne supra crepidam.)
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They say there is no such thing as a good analogy, but in some cases, like this essay, there are extremely poor ones.


15 posted on 03/28/2024 3:12:22 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (What is left around which to circle the wagons?action )
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Romans 1:28.


16 posted on 03/28/2024 3:44:44 PM PDT by FES0844
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In his classic 1993 essay, “Defining Deviancy Down”, the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan offered a semantic explanation. He concluded that, as the amount of deviant behaviour increased beyond the levels the community can “afford to recognise”, we have been redefining deviancy so as to exempt conduct we used to stigmatise,

Defining deviancy down is 'breaking windows'... Enough get broken windows and criminals move in... in this case, 'evil' moves into the Middle East. And yeah we can reverse this process.

17 posted on 03/28/2024 4:23:39 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat/ MSM/NBC/MSNBC - the party of angry shrill bimbos.. weak men and sexual weirdos...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

As I saw with a deepish dive into Catholic history, the rot had to have come before the overt actions. It is not because of prayer being removed from the schools or because of the Hayes system disappearing, those events were able to happen because of a rot which already existed.


18 posted on 03/28/2024 4:36:58 PM PDT by Chicory
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19 posted on 03/28/2024 4:44:11 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (TH)
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“ Western societies have all but stopped or entirely stopped any serious penalties (social or legal) for anti-social behavior such as:

dishonesty

theft

divorce

violence

sexual deviancy & profligacy”

Because these things define our political and cultural elite. These are their preferred characteristics. That’s why…when you turn the power in your society over to sociopaths and psychopaths, that’s what’s going to be the result.


20 posted on 03/28/2024 4:49:10 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (We have not yet achieved peak crazy)
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