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A BRIEF HISTORY OF NATO AND UKRAINE
Sonar 21 ^ | 20 Mar 24 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 03/21/2024 7:27:29 AM PDT by delta7

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Anyone see anything “ wrong “ with this? Now confirmed what some of us already knew: the US has been planning a war with Russia for a long time, the US knew about the Ukie Nazi problem, but continued using massive amounts of US $$$ taxpayers money, and with the undisputed revelation we have had 12 CIA bases in Ukraine….no telling how much money was flushed down the Ukie toilet over the past two decades.

The US and collective West are definitely not the good guys. Time to pay the price for the deception and war mongering- it will be heavy. The best we can hope for is the US pulling out of NATO, the demilitarization of Ukraine, and a Ukie Congressional decree of neutrality….( exactly what Vlad stated two years ago)…..it is the only way to insure future Peace.

Now that President Putin has secured another six years, I am sure his stated objectives will be met….as we are slowly witnessing.

1 posted on 03/21/2024 7:27:29 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

Larry Johnson & Sonar 21 = Russian propaganda & lies

(yet another sign of Russia’s desperation, if they have to promote liars like this!)


2 posted on 03/21/2024 7:30:08 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: delta7
You're relying on this guy again, eh?

Flashback:

Is Ex-CIA Agent Larry C. Johnson Threatening A Freeper?

And does this "wall-of-text" blog nonsense really belong in "News/Activism?"

3 posted on 03/21/2024 7:33:39 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: canuck_conservative

LOL. Canuck is in early with his automatic “Putin Puffer” retorts.

Let the record show, everyone he disagrees with is literally Hitler.


4 posted on 03/21/2024 7:37:36 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: canuck_conservative

Poor Putin! It must have been the West that caused him to push all that syrupy Soviet nostalgia on Russian social media, bemoan the loss of the Soviet Union, plot the rebirth of the Soviet Union, invade the Republic of Georgia, invade Ukraine, destroy entire cities, and murder political opponents like Boris Nemtsov and Alexander Navalny. Gee the West and NATO are sure manipulative!

Nice tagline!


5 posted on 03/21/2024 7:39:58 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: PGR88

If Russia put half the effort into their battlefield actions that they put into their desperate disinformation & propaganda campaigns, they would have won this already

But Russia continues to be inept ... that’s why this War enters its 26th Month in 3 days ...


6 posted on 03/21/2024 7:43:42 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: delta7
This explains the root cause of the war in Ukraine -- Western elite was furious at Putin for doing this:

Ukraine made a formal request in 2002 to start the process for joining NATO. This coincided with Vladimir Putin’s initiative to strip Russian oligarch keen on meddling in domestic politics of their wealth. This also angered Western oligarchs who were licking their chops to get control of Russia’s vast store of natural resources.

7 posted on 03/21/2024 8:05:09 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: delta7

What I see wrong is that NATO has NEVER had Ukraine join, and it has NEVER even designated Ukraine as an Official NATO Aspirant.

That some elements of NATO may have had exercises, quiet agreements or otherwise with/about Ukraine makes no difference.

NATO has just been jerking Ukraine around for years.


8 posted on 03/21/2024 8:11:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: canuck_conservative

Look, Frenchy, most of us have long since grown weary of your Hillary tactic of declaring anything and anyone who is not “Let’s support Ukraine” as Putinistas.

We’re weary of your shouts of RUSSIA!, RUSSIA!, RUSSIA!.

I support America, Americans and Free Republic. Do you?


9 posted on 03/21/2024 8:24:16 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-M)
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To: House Atreides

Of course

Read my posts ... I’m not one of those that puts America down

But I also despise dictators and their lies, and will always support the underdog ... guess that’s just me


10 posted on 03/21/2024 8:28:17 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Thanks for that nice trip down memory lane! FR was pretty good back then.
Now? Not so much … but, FR will rise again!
11 posted on 03/21/2024 8:34:36 AM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere. Onward through the fog …)
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But wait, you claim on the one hand that Putin & Russia are dangerous, while on the other hand you claim they are inept.

Both arguments can't be correct because they diametrically oppose each other.

So, which argument do you stand with actually?

Apparently you think that a quick conclusion is the only conclusion that shows might. Why end a war quickly leaving the opposition strong enough to regenerate, when you can slowly destroy them to the point that they can never rise up again as a threat? In the meantime you also severely degrade the threats coming from other sources at the same time.

Israel did just that, quickly defeated the aggressors, and has had to deal with Muslims repeatedly over the many decades. This time they seem determined to defeat the problem once & for all. No more playing nice is their current position.

Like the rest of the Zeepers, none of you have the ability to see beyond your own biases or fantasies that you harbor. I say this not in defense of Russia or Putin, but rather to state the obvious. The US & the western civilizations no longer have the upper hand that they once did. Mainly because we sat on our laurels, but also because we have purposely dumbed down our societies, including your Canadian leader Justin Trudeau. These are not the actions of societies on the ascent, these are the actions of societies on the decline. It pains me greatly that this is the reality & that I have to say this, but people had better wake up. If not, we will lose. This is why I speak out against you Zeepers. Not because I want to promote Putin or Russia as you people so quickly jump to claim is our reason & intent. In fact, it's an absolutely stupid & ignorant claim.

Our real enemy currently is coming from within, and they come from the people who occupy leadership positions within all of the western societies, and it's seems to be an impossibility to wake you people up to that reality. These are the people who are trying hard to maintain their power, and defeating those who threaten it are under threat & attack.

That includes you , me & everyone else that you know. You are helping these people, not the Ukrainians. These people are using your money to destroy your nation of the western societies, while they destroy you too in the process of solidifying their power.

You all keep proving that you are nothing but imbeciles of the nth degree. Shocking, but not surprising, sadly enough.

12 posted on 03/21/2024 8:37:35 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Russia has proven, many times and in many places over the years, that it remains an ongoing threat to all of us

If you can’t understand that simple truth, then YOU are the imbecile, Robert


13 posted on 03/21/2024 8:51:18 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: delta7

I read this piece on the author’s website and realized he is either an antisemite or just plain ignorant, and thereby can’t take him seriously.

https://sonar21.com/chuck-schumers-meaningless-attempt-to-distance-democrats-from-israels-genocidal-attacks/

His ignorance shows when he suggests Israel is against a “two state solution” which is factually and historically incorrect. Israel has always been willing to have Arab neighbor states on its borders, as long as they are accepting of Israel and not after the destruction/dismantling of Israel. Jordan and Egypt made such treaties with Israel. The Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza have never offered that.


14 posted on 03/21/2024 8:53:12 AM PDT by Wuli (ena)
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To: Gaffer

NATO has just been jerking Ukraine around for years.
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Why? Facts: Building up Ukrainian military decades ago clandestinely, when they lose, they pull a Bidenlike Afghanistan debacle. If they succeed in toppling Russia, mission accomplished Win- Win.

Fact is the EU has denied the admission of Ukraine to the EU since 1991 because they are the poorest, most corrupt nation in the EU- a financial, moral basket case….who would admit a poor, welfare nation that had nothing to contribute to strength?….just look at what happened when West Germany “ reunited” with East Germany- it took truckloads of money and welfare to integrate the poor eastern Germans, set them back decades….the EU is currently BROKE.

NATO question? Same same. The West can not afford to admit basket cases, $$$ Billions would be spent to build bases, train, make weapons….in short, Ukraine has nothing to offer, except for bordering Russia…..as we know, the US is also broke.

Everyone knows Ukraine is a corrupt basket case, but will simply not acknowledge it…..as we flush $$$ Billions down the Ukie toilet, the people are finally realizing the folly of this proxy war.


15 posted on 03/21/2024 9:09:16 AM PDT by delta7
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To: canuck_conservative

Russia has proven, many times and in many places over the years, that it remains an ongoing threat to all of us
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I guess I will start looking for an Ivan hiding under my bed, I was told years ago to look for Jews hiding under my bed and in the bushes….I haven’t seen one yet in sixty plus years.

Carry on war cheerleader!


16 posted on 03/21/2024 9:13:23 AM PDT by delta7
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To: canuck_conservative
I haven't been threatened by Russia. Russia was asked in by Georgia to quell an attempted insurrection, and Putin did actually try to seek a peaceful resolution in Ukraine, but was denied, even after two Minks Accords that were ignored continually.

I take threats that directly affect me personally more to heart, especially when they are made because I exercise my right to dispute an election or even refuse an experimental vaccine that is unproven. But we certainly haven't been the prefect example of a nation that spreads love around either, and in many ways we have fomented Russia's recent attacks.

Again, just stating the truth, not offering up excuses for either Putin or Russia. There is more than ample evidence to support this, but the Zeepers refuse to accept it because they claim it is propaganda. Even after our western society governments have shown its propensity to look their citizens in the eye and lie to them without hesitation or fear of being caught in that lie, because they know the propaganda machine will back them up. Nothing registers with you people, because you all harbor biases & fantasies that the way things used to be, but no longer really are, do still exist.

Sadly canuck, it's you Zeepers who are the imbeciles for ignoring the threats against you personally by the leaders of our own nations, because all of you fail to see that you are are aiding & abetting these very people who are sowing chaos around the globe. Every last one of you are such addled brained people who believe that our leaders want to save Ukraine. Each of you are shy millions of brain cells each, for all of you are capable of ignoring the obvious and buying into the propaganda as being the truth. Even though the contrasting policies of our leaders belie the notion of caring, as they put the concerns of others ahead of the concerns for their own fellow countrymen. It would be laughable, but it's frightening that you call yourselves conservatives, for you really remind me of Republicans who also assist the Democrats in their quest for dominating the political scene. We see this happening in all the western western nations as tyranny takes control in all of them. From all the European nations to Australia, Canada, & the US. Democratic civilizations are despised by these leaders in now in control, but none of you see this realities. The word that accurately describes you Zeepers, doesn't actually exist to describe you people, but useful idiots come close.

None so blind as those who have the capability to see, but still do not see nonetheless even when others try to help you do so. That is the definition of imbecilic useful idiots who lack critical thinking skills.

All of you have earned that moniker, because its your reality, sadly enough.

17 posted on 03/21/2024 10:02:12 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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The problem with your "lies lies" chant is that you never offer an alternative. Is it 100% lies? 50%? If so, which do you accept and which do you dispute, and upon which evidence do you dispute it?

As it is there is a widespread pattern among Zeepers of just dismissing any evidence or reports they don't like as "propaganda." That is cheap and lazy, and every day brings more evidence that it is another case of projection.

18 posted on 03/21/2024 11:16:03 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: delta7
Moscow's proxy war in, and invasion of, Ukraine, was planned by Putin, long ago.

Putin began planning the invasion of Georgia, in 1999.

Putin began planning the invasion of Ukraine, in 2003. See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2AwAXcScds

ON THE EFFECTIVE USE OF PROXY WARFARE - by Andrew Lewis Peek, May 2021, Dissertation for PhD

CHAPTER THREE: RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, 2013-2016 [pg 118 of 446 in the PDF file] "This chapter will examine Russia’s use of proxy forces in Ukraine from the beginning of demonstrations in Kiev’s Maidan Square on November 21, 2013 to the dissipation of the conflict in 2016. Though it covers all the high-intensity periods of the war, this chapter is focused on the fighting in Donbas and not Russia’s takeover of Crimea."

19 posted on 03/21/2024 11:34:54 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Robert DeLong

“I haven’t been threatened by MS-13, the Ebola virus, or nuclear waste ...

Therefore, they must be harmless too”

#ChildishLogic

(LOL)


20 posted on 03/21/2024 11:55:39 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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