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Europe is a continent of pacifists – no amount of money can fix Nato.The region is neither militarily or politically prepared to uphold her treaty commitments
The Telegraph ^ | 3/15/24 | Edward Luttwak

Posted on 03/16/2024 4:07:07 PM PDT by hardspunned

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To: DesertRhino

Macron speaks loudly but carries a limp stick.


41 posted on 03/16/2024 5:30:10 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

The headline says it all.


42 posted on 03/16/2024 5:32:12 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Fungi

Turkey’s geographic importance ended the day the soviet union fell.

I was stationed in Turkey right outside Istanbul for a year.

There is no reason to continue in any type of alliance with Turkey.


43 posted on 03/16/2024 5:32:29 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yep. Wait till we leave and the Western and Central European nuclear arms race begins. The only positive that NATO has contributed the last thirty years is keeping Germany non nuclear.


44 posted on 03/16/2024 5:33:05 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

The message to Europe is learn to defend yourselves or learn to speak Russian.


45 posted on 03/16/2024 5:36:38 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Leaning Right
"It can be fairly argued that NATO was necessary up until 1960 or so. But certainly not now."
NATO has been looking for a justification for its existence ever since. Poking to bear does it.
46 posted on 03/16/2024 5:37:21 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Eleutheria5

Russia has been begging to be accepted into the European community for thirty years. Russia could serve as counterbalance in a true and peaceful European community. We forgave and made nice with the Nazis. We are best buds with the sons of the Japanese warlords. No one was more brutalized by Soviet terror than the Russian people but admit modern, Christian Russia into the family of Western nations, Never!


47 posted on 03/16/2024 5:40:11 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

Euroweenies learned nothing from WWII. Especially the Frogs.


48 posted on 03/16/2024 5:41:16 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: hardspunned

If the US (especially), or the UK, or sometimes even France leads an effort, everyone else is happy to send a token unit to perform a specific task.

What I find funny is that the UN is nowhere to be seen. Since Ukraine is outside of the bounds of both NATO and Russia, you’d think that body would at least clear their throats or issue a statement.

Come to think of it, they seem to be keeping their heads buried regarding any conflict around the world.


49 posted on 03/16/2024 5:41:45 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Leaning Right

At the birth of NATO, Ike said if it is still necessary after ten years it would have been a failure. Ike’s vision was what Europe looked like in 1993. A huge NEUTRAL buffer zone of nations between Western Europe and the Soviet Union/Russia.


50 posted on 03/16/2024 5:44:48 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

This is the ONLY reason we should stay in NATO, to keep a lid on the enemy EU.


51 posted on 03/16/2024 5:45:15 PM PDT by cowboyusa (AT THIS POINT, I'M WARMING TO AN AMERICAN PINOCHETE. )
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To: BobL

I love your tagline. I’m wearing out that McDonalds app.


52 posted on 03/16/2024 5:46:44 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: wildcard_redneck

As far as I’m concerned what you posted has nothing to do with how much of that <2% is being wasted.


53 posted on 03/16/2024 5:49:26 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Tailback

What do you think of Turkish troops? Will they fight?


54 posted on 03/16/2024 5:51:12 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: BradyLS

Whatever the UN would propose that didn’t parrot DC’s decrees, we or our clients would veto. Why do the failing nations of France and England, emasculated by the loss of their colonial possessions and having populations that California will soon surpass still sit on the Security Council? It’s a joke that India has no veto.


55 posted on 03/16/2024 6:00:57 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

Euro weenies have lived under the protection of the US for too long. Pull out tomorrow and leave them to their own defenses. I kinda doubt that Russia still has 14,000+ tanks.


56 posted on 03/16/2024 6:03:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants ( "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."- Mark Twain)
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To: john drake

A huge amount of our reserve stockpiles of artillery rounds and rockets an mortars has been used up and our factories are not producing enough to keep Ukraine supplied, much less rebuild ours.


57 posted on 03/16/2024 6:06:25 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants ( "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."- Mark Twain)
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To: hardspunned
Other Luttwak threads:

26 Feb, 2022 "Putin will find it tough to control & exit Ukraine: Luttwak"
4/15/2022   "Why Putin's invasion failed."

For all the times Ukraine has been utterly annihilated, destroyed, devastated, obliterated, (pick one), Russia has not won, Ukraine has not lost. During the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, NATO allies had regular forces in both countries. I don't think they would like universally characterized as willing to openly disobey orders to go to Ukraine, if ordered, based on anonymous sources.

To be clear, I don't want US or NATO regular forces in Ukraine. Giving Ukraine weapons and support, let them fight and wear down the Russian inventory, replace the old weapons with new, and let sanctions slowly wear out the Russian oil industry is fine by me. The sanctions are working when for "maintenance" Russia is halting gasoline exports from March to August.

58 posted on 03/16/2024 6:12:02 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 🛇 CCCP 2.0 🛇)
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To: hardspunned
Other Luttwak threads:

26 Feb, 2022 "Putin will find it tough to control & exit Ukraine: Luttwak"
4/15/2022   "Why Putin's invasion failed."

For all the times Ukraine has been utterly annihilated, destroyed, devastated, obliterated, (pick one), Russia has not won, Ukraine has not lost. During the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, NATO allies had regular forces in both countries. I don't think they would like universally characterized as willing to openly disobey orders to go to Ukraine, if ordered, based on anonymous sources.

To be clear, I don't want US or NATO regular forces in Ukraine. Giving Ukraine weapons and support, let them fight and wear down the Russian inventory, replace the old weapons with new, and let sanctions slowly wear out the Russian oil industry is fine by me. The sanctions are working when for "maintenance" Russia is halting gasoline exports from March to August.

59 posted on 03/16/2024 6:12:02 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 🛇 CCCP 2.0 🛇)
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To: hardspunned

The Daily Mail is just finding this out? The US is NATO and Europe is its donut dollies.


60 posted on 03/16/2024 6:16:36 PM PDT by chuckee
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