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To: Monterrosa-24

NATO is not a defense alliance when it offensively attacked Libya, offensively attacked Serbia...

You argue using emotional slogans, not facts as you claim/pretend to have.

We have been trying to reform NATO post Cold war (the real push started with Rumsfeld), and while that was necessary regards the terrorist and asymmetrical threats today, we also have turned NATO from a purely defensive to an organization with offensive potential.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya That was offensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia Offensive

Russia does not see us as honoring any agreements, and frankly they are right. We will change our position and break a promise as fast as an administration changes out in the White House. Promises made by Congress and administration X are not honored by their successor Y.

Once NATO sets up in Ukraine, there is no turning back the clock and if we suddenly change our mind as with missile defense, the ballistic missile treaty, or whatever else, Russia has the world’s most powerful military alliance in their border, backed by the US which alone is ~ 2 times their military manpower (before the Ukraine war surge).

It’s an unacceptable situation we shoved Russia in and frankly you or I if Russian would have done the same thing they did. It’s “false outrage” to pretend like what they did is a surprise or wrong.

It all comes back to this, which you avoid talking about: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

At that point, we put Russia in a position where they can articulate a security threat for themselves. We can’t, they can.


112 posted on 03/20/2024 7:25:10 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

So, an incursion into little Serbia means that NATO has an offensive threat against Russia? Ha!

All your bogus arguments are copied straight from your murderous Moscow regime’s trolls. Only a truly putrid Putinista pig would buy into them.

I avoid talking about nothing. Your worries about Zelensky talking to Biden are silly. Zelensky is just working the logistics angle brought on by Russia’s insane invasion.


113 posted on 03/20/2024 7:50:44 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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