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As in 1943, any defensive line will be totally mauled be Russian artillery. For pity’s sake, let the Ukes negotiate.
1 posted on 02/17/2024 8:26:34 AM PST by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned

What is the Russian goal now? Take over the whole country? Just part of it? Keep them out of NATO?


2 posted on 02/17/2024 8:30:46 AM PST by DavidThomas
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Ukraine is using a Nazi strategy makes perfect sense to me.


3 posted on 02/17/2024 8:35:12 AM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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If Ukraine wins they’ll hit up US taxpayers to ‘rebuild’ their country... More kickbacks to white liberal ‘elites’ in DC. So, it’ll pass.

Can we really afford decades of giving to one of the most corrupt countries in the world?


4 posted on 02/17/2024 8:35:44 AM PST by GOPJ (Mayorkas reeks of that 'CIA (Creepy Thug Assh*le') mentality. Ashli Babbit's killer was promoted..)
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To: hardspunned

They don’t want to surrender

They’re just too effective at destroying Russian assets


8 posted on 02/17/2024 8:42:12 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: hardspunned

“As in 1943, any defensive line will be totally mauled be Russian artillery. For pity’s sake, let the Ukes negotiate.”

They actually had good defensive lines, with Avdiivka being the best of them, and likely they COULD have held Russia back, but they decided to shoot their wad in offensive operations, and so now they’re pretty much out of weapons and the Neocons are still trying to figure out how to ramp up production (lesson for the years: If you decide to start a land war with Russia, it’s best to first find out if you can produce weapons).


10 posted on 02/17/2024 8:43:44 AM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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Whoever believed the Biden/Nuland/Blinken BS that some how they were one more paycheck away from driving into Moscow should feel embarassed. Credit for putting up a fight. This nonsense sould have never happened.


11 posted on 02/17/2024 8:47:39 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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“Retreat? Hell!! We’re just attacking in another direction.”

Major General Oliver P. Smith, CG of the 1st Marine Division


13 posted on 02/17/2024 8:50:12 AM PST by PGR88
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100% Of Avdiivka Captured | New Zaporizhzhia Offensive? | Pokrovsk or Konstantynivka?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWD4nkf3_4A&ab_channel=WeebUnion


16 posted on 02/17/2024 8:57:17 AM PST by Tom Tetroxide
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Those that don't learn from history...


19 posted on 02/17/2024 9:04:45 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: hardspunned

I guess it’s time to give the Ukrainians a few dozen nuclear weapons.


29 posted on 02/17/2024 9:22:02 AM PST by MeganC (“Ukrainians aren’t people, they’re cosmic trash” - Anton Krasovsky)
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To: hardspunned

Difference is that the 20th Century Nazis were running out of everything - transport, fuel, rubber, soldiers being the primary shortages; transport causing issues with munitions and food.

The Ukes, on the other hand, have access to unlimited supplies of everything (except troops, and the New World Order is pushing on that issue). And the Russians haven’t made serious efforts to interdict supply lines from the west - a major strategic error on their part.


32 posted on 02/17/2024 9:24:28 AM PST by PAR35
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It worked just fine for the Poles in 1920.
And the Russians today arent their granddads of 1944.
They certainly cant fight like them.
They cannot break through and maneuver.


42 posted on 02/17/2024 9:29:29 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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Funny, but Putin is employing a strategy that resulted in a revolution in 1917 during WWI. Stalin’s strategy of using human waves of unarmed people as cannon fodder to exhaust German ammunition only worked because the Soviet population concluded that the Nazis were worse than Stalin. Reports are that Putin lost thousands of soldiers daily for a political victory in Avdiivka, which may eventually occur, but hasn’t happened yet. Eventually, people in Russia will see through Putin’s propaganda, and then things get interesting.


62 posted on 02/17/2024 9:54:43 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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German General Gotthard Heinrici had a successful flexible defensive approach during WW II against vastly superior Soviet forces.

Heinrici yielded territory slowly and imposed major casualties on his opponents by evacuating front lines just before an attack. This resulted in many Soviet attacks being a "swing and a miss," so to speak, with the blow falling against almost empty positions defended by artillery fire. This preserved Heinrici's combat power and spared casualties. Heinrici did counterattack when Soviet troops were vulnerable, sometimes regaining lost territory or crippling their offensive potential.

This operational method is similar to what George Washington and the Continental Army often used, fighting when they had to but regarding survival as an organized military force as more important than winning any particular battle. They preferred to fight only when they had to, or when the odds were fully in their favor and a decisive victory could be achieved, as at Yorktown. Perhaps this is what the Ukrainians intend -- without fully explaining themselves to the Business Insider.

67 posted on 02/17/2024 10:11:42 AM PST by Rockingham (`)
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Stalingrad.


93 posted on 02/17/2024 12:07:49 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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