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The Ukrainians 'disappearing' in Russia's prisons
BBC ^ | 10 Feb 2024 | Olga Prosvirova & Zhanna Bezpyatchuk

Posted on 02/10/2024 4:52:13 AM PST by Chad C. Mulligan

When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, the Buzynov brothers, their mother, and Mykyta's girlfriend fled their home in Chernihiv in the north of the country to avoid the conflict. They went to the village of Mykhailo-Kotsiubynske, but by early March, Russian soldiers arrived there too. "We've come to liberate you from your government. Putin is cool," the soldiers exclaimed.

Volodymyr says the soldiers searched the village, confiscating phones and accusing his family of sharing the location of the Russian army - something they all deny. Then, Volodymr says, the soldiers set up what sounded like a fake execution.

"They took my brother Mykyta and others behind some trees and told them to line up against a wall, yelling: 'Get ready! Aim!' Then they took Mykyta's girlfriend Kateryna, and made her kneel next to him. Aiming a rifle at her head, they said to my brother: 'If you don't confess, we'll shoot her.'"

Volodymyr says that was the last time he saw Mykyta. "He may have confessed to save his girlfriend because they let her go. They told us: 'He admitted everything. He's facing up to 15 years in prison.'"

According to the Ukrainian government, as of November 2023 there were 4,337 Ukrainians in Russian captivity. Most were military personnel, but 763 were civilians. However, there is no official list of their names and Ukrainian authorities rely on data from the Red Cross.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: abuse; gulag; hunkamaximus; murder; olgaprosvirova; prisoners; russia; zhannabezpyatchuk
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To: canuck_conservative
It's all fun and bloody games until the true extent of the Ukrainian casualties are revealed.

Till then, the Ukie Nazis and their fascist supporters can lie and mock all they want...

61 posted on 02/10/2024 7:58:46 AM PST by kiryandil (Free Zaluzhny!)
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To: tlozo

I asked this question earlier - no one wanted to answer it.

“Immediately after (and during) WWII up until Russia got ‘the bomb,’ how many nuclear weapons were targeted for Russia?”

Today, BOTH sides target each other. I’d also hazard a guess that in addition to Russia, the US has them targeted at China, NK, and a few other countries one might not expect.


62 posted on 02/10/2024 7:58:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: tlozo
--- "Please provide a link to a federal government source in which this nation has declared Russia officially as 'enemy.' It is a solemn thing to declare formally." LOL, apparently thousands of Russian nuclear missiles aimed at us is not sufficient proof of animosity to some. Okay"

Went from "enemy" to "animosity" rather quickly there, didn't you, Bucko.

No doubt, the Russians and we have thousands of nuclear missiles aimed at each another. This has been the MAD doctrine for decades, and since before Reagan by the way. Using your perspective, we are their "enemy" and they are ours. Excepting the small point that neither side has begun that MAD-colored, world-ending exchange of missiles.

Sufficient proof of "animosity?" Indeed. And ZERO proof from you when asked for any formal declaration by the federal government that the Russian Federation is OFFICIALLY an "enemy." Ergo, no citation from you.

Rhetoric and assertions are fine, but verifiable citations are even better. As our president of some decades ago said, "trust but verify."

That applies to us all. So, verify please, if you are proving "enemy" status. With a federal citation of official, actual "enemy status." not just sanctions, which are pursuit of foreign policy by legal means. I'll wait.

Some assistance: such a document or citation would like like one of these....

Executive Order 13224 - Bureau of Counterterrorism

List of national emergencies in the United States

Even Biden, McConnell and Schumer -- your chums -- know the difference between "Harmful Foreign Activities," the current Executive Order verbiage, and "enemy." Which is why the term is avoided in OFFICIAL declarations until the time of a nuclear "kaboom." And in the case of MAD not deterring, it is very likely no declaration will be made "before."
63 posted on 02/10/2024 8:15:57 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Allegra

Bwahahaha! It is!


64 posted on 02/10/2024 8:25:55 AM PST by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Went from "enemy" to "animosity" rather quickly there, didn't you, Bucko.

No, any country, including Russia, that points nuclear missiles at us, IS OUR ENEMY. Not sure why thats difficult for you to comprehend Mr WorldTraveller

66 posted on 02/10/2024 9:18:09 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Gaffer
Today, BOTH sides target each other.

Yes, because Russia and the US are enemies, as opposed to France or England who DO NOT have their nuclear missiles aimed at the US.

67 posted on 02/10/2024 9:21:02 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
--- "No, any country, including Russia, that points nuclear missiles at us, IS OUR ENEMY. Not sure why thats difficult for you to comprehend Mr WorldTraveller"

Not difficult at all. It is the perfect definition and applicable in opposite directions, such that "any country that points nuclear missiles" is enemy, such that by your definition -- not a Biden administration definition, by the way -- we are their enemy. Now, what do we -- Russia and these United States -- do about that?

Only a couple of options, really? Push the big red button, or don't push the big red button. So far, thankfully, the latter has been the reality since and even before our President Reagan.

Stay enemies? Find some way around this? With more nations joining the nuclear club, it's a growing conundrum.

List of states with nuclear weapons

Let's all be enemies, in perpetuity! That's the ticket! < s a r c >

Or maybe there is some alternative? Not sure why this is so difficult for you to comprehend, Mr. Tlozo.

68 posted on 02/10/2024 9:38:37 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: tlozo

The Russia apologists aren’t exactly known for their intelligence

e.g., #13, 37


69 posted on 02/10/2024 9:38:58 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: tlozo

Russia isn’t going to nuke us.
Central and South America have declared war via invasion by street trash.
For more dangerous today, tomorrow, and everyday after that.


70 posted on 02/10/2024 9:39:43 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Or maybe there is some alternative?

Sure, maybe Hamas and Israel can work out their differences too, and be friends and live happily ever after

/sarc


71 posted on 02/10/2024 9:41:46 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: dforest

“Gonzalo got even worse than that in a Ukrainian prison.”

Gonzalo should have left Ukraine if he wanted to shill for Ruzzia. He died of stupidity and probably deserves a Darwin Award.


72 posted on 02/10/2024 9:48:00 AM PST by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: canuck_conservative
--- "...maybe Hamas and Israel can work out their differences too, and be friends and live happily ever after -- /sarc"

Another fine non-addition to discussion and debate.

There will come some short and some long term end to the war between Israel and Hamas (as proxy for Qatar), and what it will be shall be seen when that happens.

In like manner, there will come an end to the Ukraine-Russia war, and that end result will be known when it comes. Not before.

And assuredly none will ever be "friends and live happily ever after." Because that's not how this world works.

Why not just post one of your graphic fabrications? They are more entertaining.

73 posted on 02/10/2024 9:58:06 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Once you get to the Gulag you’re lucky to survive at all


74 posted on 02/10/2024 10:34:50 AM PST by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: tlozo

Not the question.


75 posted on 02/10/2024 12:16:28 PM PST by Gaffer
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