Posted on 02/09/2024 8:24:15 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
Australian police are investigating threats against a five-year-old Jewish child amid an uproar over the publication online of a list of hundreds of Jewish creatives’ personal information by prominent pro-Palestinian activists.
Hundreds of Jewish academics and creatives who joined a private WhatsApp group last year had their personal information shared publicly by the activists this week.
At least one family has gone into hiding amid ensuing harassment, Josh Burns, a Jewish Australian lawmaker, said during a radio interview on Friday morning, prompting shock from the interviewer.
“They were completely shattered by this whole experience, where a sort of lynch mob of people were attacking them,” Burns said. “We’re not talking about people who are in any way connected to the conflict in the Middle East. We’re talking about ordinary Australian citizens who happen to be Jewish.”
Defenders of the list and its release have said that some people on it have sought to silence pro-Palestinian voices in the months since October 7, when Hamas attacked Israel, killing some 1,200 people and kidnapping 253, triggering a war in Gaza.
The feminist writer Clementine Ford, who shared the list with her 250,000 followers on Instagram, said anti-Zionist Jews had leaked the information from the WhatsApp group.
The incident comes amid growing concern among Australia’s Jews about their safety because of the war’s repercussions.
“We are hearing awful stories about Jewish individuals and families being the subject of harassment and vilification and we are aware of instances where Jewish homes and businesses have been targeted and vandalized simply because they haven’t denounced Israel or their people to the standard demanded by some radical nudnik,” Rabbi Dovid Gutnick of East Melbourne told the Herald Sun newspaper this week.
The newspaper reported that some Jews are moving out of heavily Jewish neighborhoods in Melbourne to avoid harassment. In one case, the newspaper said, the target was a couple who are Jewish but have not commented publicly about the war. They received a photograph of their five-year-old child with a note reading, “We know where you live.”
Alex Ryvchin, co-CEO of the Executive Council of Australia Jewry, said in a statement that the list called to mind those created by the Nazis as they sought to murder the Jews of Europe.
“There is great shock and disbelief that people are once again drawing up lists of Jews,” Ryvchin said. “It has been said to me by numerous community members that they feel relief that their parents or grandparents who survived the Holocaust are not alive to see this.”
The incident follows an announcement by police in the Sydney region that they had determined that protesters said to have shouted “Gas the Jews” at a rally outside the city’s famous Opera House shortly after October 7 had not actually uttered the phrase, which calls to mind the gas chambers of the Holocaust. They were actually saying, “Where’s the Jews,” concluded a report issued last week.
Ryvchin rejected the finding but said that even if it were accurate, it would be distressing.
“Even taking aside the history of the Holocaust and that context, on a plain reading interpretation of the phrase ‘Where’s the Jews’ by an angry mob of that sort, clearly they were looking for Jews, and what would they have done had they found them?” he said. “That’s what we think and that’s what we feel and that’s what needs to be acted against.”
Burns, a liberal politician whose grandmother was a refugee from Nazi Germany, said he, too, had heard widespread concern. He noted that he shared distress for the Palestinians and would support all expressions of pro-Palestinian sentiment that did not infringe on the safety of others.
“If you ask any member of the Jewish community about this doxxing issue, every single member of the Jewish community would respond with how frightening this is, that they have never experienced anything like this, that this social media phenomenon of putting up people’s individual profiles is one of the most frightening and unprecedented experiences of Jewish people in Australia and it shakes them to the core,” he said.
Yes they did.
They can’t defend themselves, and many of them led the way with the gun grab, like they always do.
Jews still haven’t internalized that they have been expelled from the “friend coalition” of the Left.
Palestinians are core to the Left coalition, and nothing jews can do will get them back in.
I a different era:
“Danish King Christian X responded with his own remarkable show of solidarity. In 1942, JTA reported that in response to Nazi requests that he solve his “Jewish problem” by instituting the Nuremberg Laws and other anti-Semitic regulations, Christian said: “We have never considered ourselves inferior to the Jews, hence we have no such problem in Denmark.””
Here we go again!
I find this cover story by police four months after the fact to be a questionable cover up for the racism of the pro-Palestinian crowd. It simply does not seem plausible. It is possibly the result of bribery or threats.
...by prominent pro-Palestinian activists...
...who shouldn't survive this BS. Since they are prominent and their names are obviously known.
No.
Australians did not turn in ‘all their guns’.
Why do Americans so readily swallow propaganda like that?
It’s simply not true.
There are millions of legally held firearms in private hands in Australia. More, in fact, than at any time in Australia’s history.
I am getting more than a little sick of being lied to about my country, and then, because they believe the lies, spreading them even further.
Australians did not turn in ‘all their guns’."
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Give it up, buddy ! I'm from Canada. I know what tyrannical gun control looks like, because we are going thru it right now. Guess which countries the gun grabbers base their ideas on ? - Yeah, Australia is one of them
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Are semi-auto rifles legal in Australia?
No, semi-automatic rifles are generally not legal in Australia for civilian use. The country has strict gun control laws that prohibit the ownership of semi-automatic firearms.
https://thegunzone.com/are-semi-auto-rifles-legal-in-australia/.
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What kind of armed resistance can function without even semi-autos ?
I own a semi-automatic rifle.
According to the crap you’ve just posted that should be impossible.
But it’s crap.
It’s propaganda.
Educate us.
Could the Jews who suddenly find themselves threatened walk out of a gun store today with a loaded concealed Glock 17?
If not, what are the restrictions?
They are not being honest to you about Australia. It is propaganda designed to push their anti-gun agenda. Do not accept their lies, and you will be a lot better off.
Now, Australia is a hell of a long way from being good on gun rights. It isn't exactly easy to get a licence to own a semi-automatic firearm - but it is entirely possible. Saying they are 'generally not legal for civilian use' is not accurate. If somebody wants to own one, and doesn't have a serious criminal record, they can do it. Just as I have.
The same is true of handguns. It's not easy but it can be done if a person wants to.
It's a lot easier to own non-semi-automatic weapons, so they are a lot more common.
No.
They'd need to get a Category H handgun licence, and that doesn't happen overnight.
How long it takes depends on which state you're in. In my state, getting a H licence from scratch tends to take between six weeks and three months, provided you haven't got a criminal record. It's supposed to take less than four weeks, but in my experience, it's normally more like six to twelve. You're also going to find it a lot easier to get one, if you join a pistol club.
In my state, which has some of the stricter rules in Australia, you also need to get a 'permit to acquire' any new firearm. Last time I did that, I got the permit in three days, but that can also easily take up to four weeks.
It's a bureaucracy. It's not good.
But it's not that hard to navigate it.
These are the Glock 17s available for purchase at my local gunshop.
They have a pretty limited range but the Glock 17 is something they do carry.
It isn't particular concealable, because we do have laws concerning minimum barrel length for handguns that basically make easily concealable handguns much harder to own, that means the ordinary person probably get a licence for one of those.
Most people are also very limited in your ability to carry a firearm on a regular basis. I'm actually less limited than most in that regard, but my situation is unusual (I'm a retired Naval officer, and - well, there's other reasons as well, that means I'm not entirely typical. But it's not that hard for any lawabiding adult to own a handgun, even if they don't all have the same latitude some of us do).
We have plenty of dumb gun laws here.
But we're a hell of a long way from disarmed.
If we were, I would hardly have a local gunshop to link to.
Most people are also very limited in their ability to carry a firearm on a regular basis. It is generally assumed you will have it locked in a safe somewhere, unless you have a very specific reason to be carrying, and personal self defence is not, by itself, considered sufficient. That obviously does have real limitations on the utility of owning a handgun whether that is legal or not.
“It isn’t exactly easy to get a licence to own a semi-automatic firearm - but it is entirely possible. Saying they are ‘generally not legal for civilian use’ is not accurate. If somebody wants to own one, and doesn’t have a serious criminal record, they can do it.”
New South Wales, largest province, 32% of population, you have to have a “genuine reason” (and it explicitly says self defence is not a genuine reason )
“...In addition, depending on your genuine reason(s):
if you’re applying for a licence over and above a category A firearms licence, you need:
evidence that a ‘special need’ exists for a category B, C, D or H licence “
https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/apply-for-a-firearms-licence-individual
(cat D is semi auto rifle)
I’ll let people make their own assessment of whether this meets ‘generally not legal for civilian use’ .
I live in Australia. I can make that assessment.
I am telling you in plain English that the claim that semi-automatic weapons are ‘generally not legal for civilian use’ is crap.
It’s not all that hard.
There are people with an agenda who want to paint Australia as some ‘gun free’ paradise.
There are people with another agenda who want to paint Australia as some sort of dictatorship where Australian’s rights have been trampled into non-existence.
Neither are telling you the truth.
In 1996, there were about 3.5 million firearms legally held in private hands in Australia. Stricter gun laws introduced in the later part of that year after the Port Arthur Massacre lead to about 600,000 firearms being handed in a gun buy back. Most of those firearms were still totally legal - a minority of them were not (generally fully automatic or high capacity semi-automatic firearms) - exactly how many we don’t know. But even if it had been all 600,000 (and it wasn’t), that’s still considerably less than 20% of weapons being removed at that time.
Since that time, the level of firearms ownership has steadily increased and is now considerably over the 3.5 million number from 1996 - exactly how high, again, is unknown but the lowest estimates are 4 million. Given the increase in population, that would be a per capita decrease if it is that low - but it’s still a significant number.
This is the reality.
By the way, there are semi-automatic weapons in Category C. I am C and H licenced (and A/B as well) and my semi-automatic rifle is held on a C licence. D licences are genuinely difficult for ordinary people to get. I did have one at one stage, but gave it up because it wasn’t worth the effort for me to keep it. C and H really aren’t that difficult - but they are harder than I personally think they should be.
“By the way, there are semi-automatic weapons in Category C. I am C and H licenced (and A/B as well) and my semi-automatic rifle is held on a C licence. D licences are genuinely difficult for ordinary people to get. “
Is this document accurate ?
The “semi-auto rifles” in Cat C are f#cking rimfires !
The document may be accurate for New South Wales. Some of the issues of categorisation are not clear cut and are subject to interpretation. The NSW Police may be using this document for interpretation.
I’m in Victoria - here, some centrefire semi-automatic rifles are in category C but only some. So are most, if not all, rimfire semi-automatics.
I’m not entirely comfortable describing what I own in a public place anymore - I used to be more willing to do that, but somebody caused me some issues when I last did so, and I think they may have got the information from FR. I will send you a PM describing what I own.
A lot of these rules are inconsistent, and even self-contradictory.
At one time in Canada, they banned 223 semi autos with direct impingement, but the piston ones were still legal.
I don’t get the motivation to try to claim that firearms are still not that restricted.
one of the things in Canada was Leftist gloating over how the AR’s used in shootings in the USA were not allowed here.
And then they found out that they were...
Yes, that's very much our experience here as well.
I don’t get the motivation to try to claim that firearms are still not that restricted.
In our case, there's a few reasons.
One - I'm more than a bit sick of leftists in Australia simply 'declaring victory' when they haven't actually won something. It's been a common tactic here for decades. They just tell people that what they want to be true is true. And enough people believe them that they make it more true. I am sure there are people here in Australia who don't own firearms who would if they realised it was a lot easier than they've been told.
And outside of Australia, the left in other countries seem to like to try and hold up Australia as some example to the world with claims like 'Australia doesn't have school shootings because it's banned guns', just as one example. No. That's a lie. It's true we don't have any significant school shootings (although that could change with a single incident - I hope it doesn't, of course), but that isn't because there aren't guns in our community. Whatever it is about Australia that means these things are rarer than the United States, it isn't that guns have been banned.
And, at times, the right outside Australia, also seems to try and mislead people by making false claims about the country as well. And speaking as an Australian, I'm not too happy about that either.
There's also the factor that in 1996, we actually did come very close to having much more restrictions on firearms ownership than actually eventuated. Those of us who live here can see just how close we came to a similar level of restriction, if not worse, than occurred in the United Kingdom. We were able to stop that happening, but it wasn't easy. And it is more than a bit annoying to see people acting as if we didn't stop it going that far. And that in the years since - with the arguable exception on some further restrictions on handgun ownership in the early 2000s - we've actually rolled back some of the heavier restrictions that did happen.
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