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1 posted on 02/06/2024 10:55:49 AM PST by CFW
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Sucks.


2 posted on 02/06/2024 10:58:53 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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The shooter was not old enough to buy or possess a gun in Michigan. The parents are directly responsible for him having a gun. They bear at least some of the responsibility for the murders.


3 posted on 02/06/2024 10:59:18 AM PST by JSM_Liberty
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Bad verdict. This can lead to bad case law.

Civilly liable? Without question. Criminally guilty?
I don’t see it.


4 posted on 02/06/2024 10:59:58 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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“Jennifer Crumbly faces up to 15 years in prison for her role in the shooting.”

I suspect the dad will be seeing much more time


5 posted on 02/06/2024 11:01:11 AM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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“ Prosecutors said she was “grossly negligent” in giving a gun to her son, who was 15 at the time, and not helping him obtain mental health treatment despite showing warning signs. ”

I’m not sure 15 years is long enough for the damage he did


8 posted on 02/06/2024 11:04:18 AM PST by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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This is not any easy call. I wouldn’t want to be on that jury. According to the article, the mom gave the kid a gun. But how? And why? The article is short on details.

Let’s say some stupid parent lets a too young (and rather unstable) kid drive. The kid takes the car on his own one day, and deliberately runs over and kills a pedestrian. Is the parent guilty of involuntary manslaughter?


12 posted on 02/06/2024 11:05:36 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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I got my first rifle at age 11. So did most of my friends. Times sure have changed.


14 posted on 02/06/2024 11:08:37 AM PST by Rodd OB
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These were not responsible parents or gun owners by any stretch. They essentially straw-purchased a gun for their highly emotionally disturbed son, and seemed to do everything to feed his fantasies rather than get him psychiatric help. Her behavior, indifference, and lack of taking any sort of responsibility was the reason for the verdict.


18 posted on 02/06/2024 11:11:02 AM PST by SpaceBar
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If you want to avoid such charges, don’t raise your child to be a mass murdering thug.


23 posted on 02/06/2024 11:19:05 AM PST by Round Earther
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There are more and more cases like this. Prosecutors pick out the most egregious ones. This woman did a lot wrong. There is another case where a girl told her boyfriend that he should kill himself and he did. The girlfriend did a lot wrong too. But it still is troublesome that prosecutors are expanding the definition of crime in this way. Once they score a victory in the most egregious cases like this, you can be sure they will expand their prosecutions to parents of any kid who has a gun who commits a crime with it.


33 posted on 02/06/2024 11:33:23 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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The school principal & teacher needs to be charged & convicted as well...
They should have kicked the student out of the school after the mother refused to take him home when they asked...


52 posted on 02/06/2024 12:20:49 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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Dangerous decision: if the kid had taken the firearm without permission, would the parents still be liable criminally or civilly? If a burglar steals my firearm and kills someone, am I responsible for not having kept in a gun safe?

My father bought me a .22 when I was 12 or 13.

53 posted on 02/06/2024 12:23:13 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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absurd.


60 posted on 02/06/2024 1:22:47 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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And the parents fled

“After the shooting, the Crumbleys allegedly fled Oxford and went to Detroit following some initial questioning from police. U.S. Marshals eventually apprehended them days later on Dec. 4, 2021.” Foxnews


66 posted on 02/06/2024 2:10:05 PM PST by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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