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Ukraine Seeks PR "Wins" as West Admits War May be Lost
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Posted on 01/20/2024 8:16:23 PM PST by ganeemead

The art of making George Custer look like the all-time winner...

Seems likely that KKKomodomir Ichabodavich Zelensky (all-time loser) may have been what Jethro Tull had in mind...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: fakenews; ganymedehypothesis; getspaidinrubles; lostagain; medved; newsforumabuse; notanewsarticle; notanewssite; tedholden; ukraine; vatnik; war
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1 posted on 01/20/2024 8:16:23 PM PST by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

At least this is balanced news.


2 posted on 01/20/2024 8:17:50 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Objective: Permanently break the will of the population to ever wage war again.)
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To: ganeemead
The art of making George Custer look like the all-time winner
George Custer was on the winning side.
3 posted on 01/20/2024 8:22:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ganeemead

Thick as a Brick 🧱


4 posted on 01/20/2024 8:26:56 PM PST by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: All

This planet is not big enough for Zelensky to hide in for very long, i.e. the kinfolk of those 600,000 hohos the guy has gotten killed for no rational reason will find him.


5 posted on 01/20/2024 8:41:11 PM PST by ganeemead (everything )
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To: ganeemead
PR wins that can convince congress to cough up $61 billion for the war is the objective.

Money laundering has always been the top priority of this war.

6 posted on 01/20/2024 8:51:07 PM PST by Kazan
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To: ganeemead
600,000 hohos

Still unimpeded by facts.

7 posted on 01/20/2024 10:37:43 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: ganeemead

there was a rational reason...10% to the big guy.


8 posted on 01/20/2024 10:58:52 PM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: ganeemead

The sickest thing about this war is sending people to their deaths for social media W’s.

It works because NeoCon fools like Adam Kinzinger were willing to give Ukraine unconditional support based on the supposed “heroism” of the Ghost of Kiev.

Kinzinger is an extreme case, but a lot of the decision making, first to support Ukraine, and now to cut them lose, is based on heavily manipulated social media messaging and official authorized “leaks”.

The only data that is real in this war is (maybe) the Ukraine War Pentagon leak. And even that was subject to manipulation.

We are ALMOST at the point where Baudrillard’s “the Gulf War Did Not Take Place” starts to be a plausible analysis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulf_War_Did_Not_Take_Place


9 posted on 01/20/2024 11:22:20 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: ganeemead
To win, Putin's Russia must defeat Ukraine.

To avoid defeat, Ukraine need only survive.

Regards,

10 posted on 01/21/2024 12:42:43 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Reverend Wright

“The sickest thing about this war is sending people to their deaths”

Agree.

If only Putin would stop his invasion. This would stop the blood shed for both Russian and Ukraine military as well as civilian deaths.


11 posted on 01/21/2024 12:53:08 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇸 )
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To: alexander_busek
"To win, Putin's Russia must defeat Ukraine."

Russia has done more than that: Russians have defeated nato AND "ukraine". Twenty years from now, yuo're going to say the word "ukraine" and people will scratch their heads and reply "huh??"...

12 posted on 01/21/2024 2:08:52 AM PST by ganeemead (everything )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

” If only Putin would stop his invasion. This would stop the blood shed for both Russian and Ukraine military as well as civilian deaths.”


No it wouldn’t.

It would only be a pause.

Once NATO gets up to the Russian border at Kharkiv, Sumy etc. it’s inevitable that they attack given the hatred of Russia that they, and you, have repeatedly represented.

So then that really is WW3, with even more death and destruction.


13 posted on 01/21/2024 2:12:23 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: alexander_busek
--- "To win, Putin's Russia must defeat Ukraine. To avoid defeat, Ukraine need only survive."

Having read this view a number of times through a number of sources, it seems a language trick.

"To avoid defeat, "X" need only survive" is true for Germany, as an example. The Nazis were of course defeated, and yet Germany 'survived'. And some idiots few Nazis are still around as well, though 'defeated'.

Simple word substitution sometimes uncovers fallacies.

14 posted on 01/21/2024 2:22:11 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: ganeemead; Reverend Wright; Worldtraveler once upon a time
Russians have defeated nato AND "ukraine"

We like the way you Russia cheerleaders keep under-estimating Ukraine and NATO

That's what Putin has done from the beginning, and it has bitten him at every turn - invaded with too-small a force, flailing on the battlefield with too-few troops to achieve anything, losing its Black Sea Fleet ship by ship ...

We look forward to seeing more Russian failures in 2024, as Russia continues to give a half-ass effort militarily!

LOL


15 posted on 01/21/2024 2:42:56 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian vermin out!!)
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To: canuck_conservative

“We look forward to seeing more Russian failures in 2024, as Russia continues to give a half-ass effort militarily! “


Enjoy it well it lasts. On Russian TV the politicians have openly stated that 2024, just like 2023, will be a build year for the army, and for military industries.

And 2025 will be the big attack.


16 posted on 01/21/2024 2:46:15 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

“Big attack” with what? LOL

Russia has had 30,000 troops killed just in the last 3 months, with its failed “meat-wave” attacks on Avdiivka (STILL not captured!)

Putin needs more warm bodies to replace the many cold ones


17 posted on 01/21/2024 2:52:54 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian vermin out!!)
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To: canuck_conservative
--- "We like the way you Russia cheerleaders...."

I cheer for NO war. Your use of name-calling, besides being against the spirit of Mr. Robinson's clear request, is little and mean-spirited.

Among Jim Robinson's requests of July 24, 2023:

Remember to use common courtesy when posting to FR. Leave off the insults and flames, name calling, etc.

We are conservatives. Be respectful to your debate adversary (fellow FReeper). For example, do not accuse them of being a "Putinista", "commrade", "murderer", "baby-killer", etc, just because he may have a difference of opinion whether or not the US government should be involved in a controversial foreign war where we were not attacked.

Likewise, things in the presidential primary are getting over-heated. We want to be sure we come out of this with a Republican president, house and senate. The only way we can accomplish that is to unify the Republican Party. We can't destroy our own candidates. Whoever it is will need to pull us ALL together. Keep the ultimate goal in sight - Freedom! We are not here to fight each other. We are here as allies to fight for God, family, country, and FREEDOM! As William Wallace said in Brave Heart, "Unite the clans!".

That you so easily resort to name-calling suggests, by Mr. Robinson's words, that you are no American conservative.
18 posted on 01/21/2024 3:00:02 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: canuck_conservative

“Big attack” with what? LOL


Russia is adding 30,000 additional people per month into their military.

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-recruiting-30-000-soldiers-174258639.html


19 posted on 01/21/2024 3:06:40 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

You cheer for Russia on every thread, so you’re a Russia cheerleader

Not a lie, and not so difficult to understand, is it?

Don’t want to be seen as a “Russia cheerleader”?

Then stop cheering for Putin!


20 posted on 01/21/2024 3:12:31 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian vermin out!!)
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