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Swedish alarm after defence chiefs' war warning
BBC News.com ^ | January 10, 2024 | Paul Kirby

Posted on 01/11/2024 5:46:12 AM PST by Timber Rattler

Civil Defence Minister Carl-Oskar Bohlin told a defence conference "there could be war in Sweden".

His message was then backed up by military commander-in-chief Gen Micael Byden, who said all Swedes should prepare mentally for the possibility.

However, opposition politicians have objected to the tone of the warnings.

Ex-prime minister Magdalena Andersson told Swedish TV that while the security situation was serious, "it is not as if war is just outside the door."

Children's rights organisation Bris said that its national helpline did not usually receive calls about the possibility of war. But this week, it had seen an increase in worried calls from youngsters who had seen news reports or posts on TikTok talking about it.

"This was well prepared, it wasn't something blurted out," Bris spokeswoman Maja Dahl told the BBC. "They should have provided information meant for kids when they come out with this kind of information for grown-ups."

Despite the starkness of the messaging, the remarks from the civil defence minister and military chief are being seen as a wake-up call.

After more than two centuries of peace, Sweden is a few steps from joining the Nato defensive alliance, waiting for a green light from Turkey's parliament and then from Hungary.

The commander-in-chief said his remarks were nothing new.

He visited Ukraine's eastern front a month ago and Sweden is one of a group of countries training Ukrainian pilots. Stockholm is also said to be considering sending advanced Gripen fighter jets to Ukraine.

"My ambition with this is not to worry people; my ambition is to get more people to think about their own situation and their own responsibilities," Gen Byden later told Aftonbladet newspaper.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: baltic; bidenswar; escalation; nato; sweden; war; worldwariii; ww3
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To: USA-FRANCE

The West ain’t what it used to be.


21 posted on 01/11/2024 7:28:04 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Absolute "fear mongering" at it's best!

Russia seems to be doing quite well without invading the tiny nation of Sweden.

Exactly why would they do such?

22 posted on 01/11/2024 7:28:29 AM PST by icclearly ( )
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To: Timber Rattler
The Swedes see the Muscovite storm coming in the Baltics.

The Swedes would be well advised to pay heed to the fate of this man...a Belorussian member of Right Sector who 'retired' from the war in Ukraine to Switzerland only to be killed there by a gang of African migrants.

Tend your own garden Sweden!


23 posted on 01/11/2024 7:39:59 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: BitWielder1; Timber Rattler

“War is right outside the door, Russia and Ukraine are not that far away.
Criminal gangs of immigrants are already in the country in significant numbers.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, Swedish liberals and CINO’s (Conservatives in Name Only) accepted many refugees, without thoroughly vetting them before letting them in. THAT was a mistake.
Vetting is ESSENTIAL. There was no illegal immigration though.

Probably about 10 - 20 % of those islamic refugees are criminals. They are now wreaking havoc in Sweden.

However! The new conservative / “far-right” Government in Sweden is pro-actively trying to reverse the mess the liberals caused.

The Sweden Democrat party (now participating in the Government) is considered by the liberal media as being an extremist “far-right party”. This true right-party is the most anti-russia of them all. They strongly pushed for Sweden’s entry into NATO.

Only the the ultra-left party (old communist party) in Sweden want to give Russia a pass, and they are also against NATO.


24 posted on 01/11/2024 7:42:05 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: wildcard_redneck

“What else would you call NATO members except subservient sources of cannon fodder?”

ROFWL

If NATO members are so god awful subservient then how come all U.S. Presidents since Reagan have complained that Europe’s NATO members fall behind in the military contributions to NATO? There are other areas of NATO policies and operations that have annually and persistently seen the U.S. takng positions NOT unanimously followed by NATO members in Europe. The answer is obvious - the other NATO members are NOT slaves to the U.S.


25 posted on 01/11/2024 7:56:48 AM PST by Wuli
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To: mac_truck; gleeaikin; Timber Rattler; Wuli

Tend your own garden Sweden!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, lets put it this way... :
They have now started to do that in Sweden, even though it’s a difficult a task.

However, “tending your own garden Sweden” as you say, has to be done in two ways SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Kicking out the islamic gangsters from Sweden WHILE making sure Russia is not replacing them with NeoSoviet Russian troops... THAT is the mission.

Russian troops and Islamic gangs are the ones causing Europe’s gangrene as we speak.

They BOTH kill, burn, rape, steal.

ALSO:
The new conservative / “far-right” Government in Sweden is pro-actively trying to reverse the mess the liberals caused.

The Sweden Democrat party (now participating in the Government) is considered by the liberal media as being an extremist “far-right party”. This true right-party is the most anti-russia of them all. They strongly pushed for Sweden’s entry into NATO.

Only the the ultra-left party (old communist party) in Sweden want to give Russia a pass, and they are also against NATO.


26 posted on 01/11/2024 7:57:26 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: armourenthusiast

“Bless your heart, you realize that Obamamama started this whole ball rolling in the 2014 maidan revolution”

You poor dear continue to refuse to acknowldge that Putin started the whole thing years before 2014.


27 posted on 01/11/2024 7:58:23 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Many and many more Swedes are acknowleding the past immigration policies were a catastrophic blunder.


28 posted on 01/11/2024 7:59:48 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
how come all U.S. Presidents since Reagan have complained that Europe’s NATO members fall behind in the military contributions to NATO? There are other areas of NATO policies and operations that have annually and persistently seen the U.S. takng positions NOT unanimously followed by NATO members in Europe. The answer is obvious - the other NATO members are NOT slaves to the U.S.

You make a compelling argument. It is America that is a slave to NATO. We would do well to walk off the plantation and kick that deadbeat organization to the curb.

29 posted on 01/11/2024 8:02:53 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Next week on The Bickersons...)
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To: Wuli
"ROFWL If NATO members are so god awful subservient then how come all U.S. Presidents since Reagan have complained that Europe’s NATO members fall behind in the military contributions to NATO? There are other areas of NATO policies and operations that have annually and persistently seen the U.S. takng positions NOT unanimously followed by NATO members in Europe. The answer is obvious - the other NATO members are NOT slaves to the U.S."

Simple explanation, slaves don't like to pay their owners.

30 posted on 01/11/2024 8:10:37 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Sirius Lee

“You make a compelling argument. It is America that is a slave to NATO. We would do well to walk off the plantation and kick that deadbeat organization to the curb.”

I think the geopolitical geomilitary position is now at a place where we will have leverage reforming NATO in the sense of Europe’s members upping their committments in military contributions and being more prepared for operations committments as well.

What has been the importance of the U.S. in NATO in Europe is that we are neither France, Germany nor the U.K., which is very helpful in obtaining the consensus of all the smaller members of NATO. In short - NATO is not dominated by one of the historical European major powers. Combine that with the NATO structure where decisions are made by consensus, not “majority vote”, and you get how NATO has held together as a defense pact.


31 posted on 01/11/2024 8:14:55 AM PST by Wuli
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To: wildcard_redneck

Idiotic ignorant simpleton explanation.


32 posted on 01/11/2024 8:16:20 AM PST by Wuli
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To: BlackbirdSST

I presume you are joking.

You are actually the one waving the white flag, right now as we speak! Since you are spectacularly failing in condemning Russia’s illegal annexation of free European countries. Right?

I, on the other hand is pushing for a pro-active, pro-west- military defense in order to end Russia’s expansion, and kick their occupying soldiers out of our allied countries.

Your deafening silence in not condemn Russia’s illegal annexation of free nations... makes you a slave to Moscow.

You got it all backwards my friend.


33 posted on 01/11/2024 8:20:41 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: Wuli
I think the geopolitical geomilitary position is now at a place where we will have leverage reforming NATO in the sense of Europe’s members upping their committments in military contributions and being more prepared for operations committments as well.

Unless Trump is elected, there is zero chance of that happening.

34 posted on 01/11/2024 8:23:44 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Next week on The Bickersons...)
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To: USA-FRANCE; All

“What do you call a country which just doesn’t care about being invaded then? “


Is this abut the USA-Mexico border ?


35 posted on 01/11/2024 8:23:57 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Wuli

Zeepers are lying, leftist scum who lack the courage of their supposed convictions. The Ukrainian army is taking all comers to feed to the RuZZZZian meat grinder so why haven’t you signed up chicken hawk?


36 posted on 01/11/2024 8:24:31 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Wuli
--- "Many and many more Swedes are acknowleding the past immigration policies were a catastrophic blunder."

From a cousin in Småland, I hear the same view. It seems that, around Europe, one reason the political Left is in a dither is that "populists" are gaining in polls, with the EU Commission worrying that a "member state" might revert to being a nation, through such acknowledgment of immigration blunders. I lay this at the feet of the 'Obama' coterie in part for the destruction of Libya, which released a massive wave of migration across all of Europe. An echo of our southern border, is it not?

37 posted on 01/11/2024 8:25:58 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Reverend Wright

“What do you call a country which just doesn’t care about being invaded then? “

- Is this abut the USA-Mexico border ? -

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I agree with you.
Many Democrats don’t care.
But old America (true conservatives AND the silent majority) do indeed care about it.

One thing to note:
When we saw 110 inner cities burn and being looted in America during the adorable “Summer of Love” ...
That was done mostly by American citizens organized by ANTIFA and BLM (while media was blowing on the embers...).
It wasn’t done by Mexicans crossing the border.

In the EU though, all the burning and looting going on there
is NOT done by EU CITIZENS, but by foreign migrants!


38 posted on 01/11/2024 8:47:57 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: dfwgator; USA-FRANCE; BabaOreally; BroJoeK; MeganC; PIF; Monterrosa-24; Timber Rattler; ...

As the French say, in French, “The more things change, the more they stay the same.”

An interesting bit of history, it was the Prussians that turned the tide in the Battle of Waterloo, which the British systematically turned into their victory with successful propaganda.


39 posted on 01/11/2024 8:48:40 AM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority)
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To: USA-FRANCE
Look at you. You have to go all the way back to the '70's to take your dig when all you really have to do is look in a mirror and see a 21st Century democrat. Keep your white flag at the ready frenchie.

Do I need to write it in French?

40 posted on 01/11/2024 8:49:27 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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