Posted on 01/07/2024 12:34:31 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
Three months ago, speaking to citizens rocked by a horrific day of attacks by Hamas, Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a promise.
“The IDF will immediately use all its strength to destroy Hamas’s capabilities,” Netanyahu said. “We will destroy them.”
Now, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is shifting to a new phase of its war on Hamas in Gaza – and there are signs its objectives are changing too.
“The record is not very friendly to military campaigns seeking to eradicate political military movement that are deeply rooted,” Bilal Y. Saab, an associate fellow in the Middle East and North Africa at Chatham House, told CNN.
“IDF leadership understands very well that the most they can do is severely degrade the military capabilities of Hamas,” Saab said.
Israel has seen some successes in that regard; its forces claim to have killed thousands of Hamas fighters, including some high-ranking members, and have dismantled some parts of the group’s vast tunnel network under the enclave.
But challenges remain and an endgame is far from sight. Few countries at war set deadlines. Israeli officials have warned of a lengthy war that could stretch through the entirety of 2024 and beyond.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
You are welcome.
Hamas TV Children’s Show Encourages Killing of Jews
Rawan: And they shoot Jews, right?
Tulin: Right.
Rawan: You want to be like him? Allah willing, when you grow up.
Tulin: I will shoot the Jews.
Rawan: All of them?
Tulin: Yes.
Rawan: Good.
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-tv-childrens-show-encourages-killing-jews
Pro-Hamas Islamic scholars issue calls, fatwas inciting murder of Israelis and Jews
Several Islamic scholars affiliated with Hamas have called for the killing of Israelis and Jews in the aftermath of the terror group’s onslaught in southern Israel on October 7, in some cases issuing fatwas, or Islamic legal opinions, commanding Muslims to wage armed jihad.
Saleh al-Raqab, a professor of religion at Gaza’s Islamic University and a former minister of religious affairs and endowments in the Hamas government, published an article on October 8, the day after the brutal assault in which 1,400 Israelis were killed, titled “Oh Mujahideen in Palestine.”
“O Allah, grant victory to the fighters in Palestine, guide their strikes to the throats of Jews, make their legs steady and let them stab a knife through the hearts [of the Jews],” al-Raqab wrote. “Enable them to kill the soldiers of the Jews, destroy the weapons of the Jews, and capture Jewish soldiers. O Allah, destroy the Jews completely. Paralyze their limbs and freeze the blood in their veins.”
Hamas Official Condemned After Calling on Palestinians to Kill Jews
July 15, 2019 11:06 AM
“Seven million Palestinians outside, enough warming up, you have Jews with you in every place. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and kill them.”
Hamas’ TV: Islam allows for murder of Jews as they are criminals
Let Israel do what must be done.
Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar Justifies Persecution of Jews in History and Promises that Jews ‘Are Headed to Annihilation’November 12, 2010
(A detailed justification for expelling Jews from every country)
Ask Hamas: ‘From The River To The Sea’ Is A Call For The Destruction Of Israel And Killing Jews
Less than 24 hours after launching its attack on October 7, Hamas representative in Tehran Khaled Qaddoumi gave an interview in English to Iran’s Press TV about the “historic event [that] took place in the holy land of Palestine... the Al-Aqsa Flood battle to liberate Palestine from the river to the sea, in order to expel the Zionist regime.”
https://www.memri.org/reports/ask-hamas-river-sea-call-destruction-israel-and-killing-jews
Time for coffee. Please let me know if you need more evidence.
Perhaps we should start a separate thread together so we can document the “evidence”.
Might be good for your reputation on FR.
Don’t you agree?
“First biggest thing Israel needs to do is to stop depending on USA for small weapons”
Israel makes most of its own small weapons and also exports military equipment to other countries.
I have a very nice IWI Masada, made for the civilian market.
Typical hit piece from CNN. They are depressed that the IDF has learned how to greatly lower the casualties it suffers. CNN would have Israel’s soldiers charge into the hundreds of tunnels under Gaza and be slaughtered by booby traps and waiting terrorists. Israel thought the tunnel system in Gaza numbered around a hundred, but has found many hundreds of tunnels; many sophisticated underground command centers. The Israelis use explosives, drones, and dogs to get an idea of what lies in wait for them. Eradicating hundreds of tunnels which contain probably three or four thousand of the last Hamas fighters will be done methodically and lethally, with the least number of Israeli casualties.
Sorry if this is not your preferred strategy CNN!
The original HAMAS charter provides all the documentation you might not want to see. And truth is a defense against the accusation of slander.
The first version of the HAMAS charter, adopted in 1988, begins with a preamble. Only instead of “We-the-People,” it reads: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”
The 36 articles that follow are buttressed by quotes from the Quran and lessons of the Prophet Muhammed.
In particular, the charter directs the killing of Jews, drawing on a hadith (prophetic saying): “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”
More recently the HAMAS slogan is:"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" (of Jews).
That all seems quite clear. If not, then the HAMAS initiative of Oct 7 should have clarified their intentions.
For example:
Article 11:
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [endowment] consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that.
Article 12:
Nationalism, from the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is part of the religious creed. Nothing in nationalism is more significant or deeper than in the case when an enemy should tread Moslem land. Resisting and quelling the enemy become the individual duty of every Muslim, male or female.
Article 13:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the [Palestinian] question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Muslim problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realizing the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Muslims as arbitrators. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?
Article 15:
The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.
In the past, Israel did not have that choice. But now their economy is big enough so they can probably afford to do that. They need a massive arms stockpile, enough to last them in a war for at least five years against all of their regional enemies.
It can be done. North Korea recently gave some of their massive stockpile to Russia for their war in Ukraine.
For a people that are so smart they can be so dumb as a nation
France understood that back in the 60’s
A country has control of their own foreign policy if they do not depend on another country for weapons
In 1973 the Israelis saw the pressure put upon them by the USA. They haven’t learnt
Take a look at the Jewish Democrats in the U.S. Extremely well off but quite naive.
Israel is doing a slow methodical destruction of Hamas and it’s ability to wage future war. The Palestian Authority has already signed agreements with Israel to govern Gaza once the IDF has cleared out most of Hamas. Then the PA and IDF will conduct up to a year of joint operations finishing the job.
It’s a done deal, the PA just want to wait it out until they have to engage openly in combat with Hamas along side Israel.
A long time ago, Machiavelli advised The Prince on how to rule a captured land.
“.....Machiavelli describes three ways to hold states that have been accustomed to living freely under their own laws. The first is to devastate them. The second is for the conqueror to occupy them. The third is to allow the state to maintain its own laws, but to charge taxes and establish an oligarchy to keep the state friendly. The third option is advantageous because the newly imposed oligarchy will work hard to secure the authority of the conquering prince within the conquered state because it owes its existence to the prince and cannot survive without his support. Thus, as long as the goal is not to devastate the other state, it is easiest to rule it through the use of its own citizens.
Complete destruction is the most certain way of securing a state that has been free in the past. A prince who does not take this route places himself in a position to be destroyed himself. No matter how long it has been since the state was acquired, rebellions will always revive the legacy of ancient institutions and notions of former liberty, even if the state has benefited from the prince's rule. This sense of tradition will unify the people against the prince.
On the other hand, cities or provinces that are accustomed to being ruled by a prince are easy to take over once the ruling family has been destroyed. People in such states are accustomed to obedience and do not know how to live in freedom without having someone to rule over them. Therefore, the new prince can win the province and hold onto it more easily.
In republics (or former republics), sentiments of hatred and revenge against the conquering prince will run strong. The memories of ancient liberty never die, so a prince will be better off destroying the republic or personally occupying the conquered state.....”
So, according to Machiavelli, Israel can either (1) completely and utterly destroy Gaza and its people, (2) occupy Gaza (preferably as a colony and bring in lots of its own people, (3) destroy the ruling families and appoint other locals to rule Gaza that will be beholding to Israel and do its bidding.
I think that Israel has been pursuing the complete destruction, at least of northern Gaza. It is now mostly rubble. The question is what will Israel do to the rest of Gaza.
Israel is also doing a good job of destroying the “ruling families” of Gaza, that is the Hamas political and military leadership. So a shift could be to find a Vidkun Quisling within the Palestinians of Gaza and put him(her) in charge of leading that conquered people.
Another shift could be to just take the land and establish all or part of Gaza as a colony of Israel, bring in settlers and put them in control of the best resources of Gaza.
As to Vietnam, the US was not about to utterly destroy the Vietnamese that opposed the government that Kennedy and Johnson backed. The US and South Vietnamese military were handcuffed and never allowed to totally destroy either the North Vietnamese (because of fear of China/Russia becoming involved) or occupy and colonize Vietnam. The US did try to set up governments that were beholding to WA DC.
In my mind the real issue is how do you civilize barbarians who have no respect for human life. Typically, you do it be being as or even more barbaric. Genghis Khan and many others who conquered ancient lands, did not hesitate at killing all who did not surrender. If they did surrender, then some would be killed, some would be enslaved and some spared and leaders established that served the great Khan with absolute obedience. Enslaving a conquered people has become politically impossible, and so killing those the don't surrender, or sparing a few minor leaders to serve and controlling the people are the only major options.
What happened on October 7 can be used to justify any cruelty Israel my wish to dish out. I think that turning at least northern Gaza into rubble and killing huge numbers of Hamas (especially leadership) was a wise response.
Can Israel kill all members of Hamas? Probably not. But it can destroy a large enough part of Gaza to rubble so that the rest of Gaza understands that they need to obey orders from Israel unless they want to die. Absolutely, and that may well be their plan.
So what kind of moron are you?
I initially assumed a klan type, but then leaned toward Muslim, and then swayed that you were just another leftist.
So which flavor are you? I’m betting on Muslim because you claimed “slander”, which is their usual line.
It’s CNN. They all hate Israel and side with Hamas, so...
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