Posted on 12/28/2023 7:53:13 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Accurate observations mate.
It was about Democrats refusing to accept the results of the election of 1860.
No Joe it wasnt
For the South it was about states rights...
For the North it was about preserving the Union...
Oh jeez. Here comes the Lost Causers again.
Joseph Stolen is an idiot
“President Biden took a swipe at Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley for failing to mention slavery while responding to a question about the cause of the Civil War.”
She gets some things right. Maybe she actually read serious, objective history while governor of South Carolina.
I don’t want to hear from a guy who loved kkk Byrd.
Yes it’s a meal ticket for many.
Proof that Haley is advancing - the Dems and MSM invent irrelevant BS stories to attack her.
‘what would would you argue is the cause?’
I would wait to read the declartions of cause from the seceding side, as four of the southern states atually did...
you could read those declarations also; just be prepared to read the words ‘slaves’ and ‘slavery’ a great deal...
‘But we have to remember that loyalty to states, and states’ rights, was greater than loyalty to the nation...’
sure, sure, right up to 1850 and the Fugitive Slave Act, when it became ‘loyal’ for the state rights bunch to petition the federal government to return their precious escaped slaves...
‘the only states’ right they were championing was the right for humans to own other humans.’
have you not been on this forum long enough to know that sensible commentary is verboten when it comes to the Civil War...?
Just to inform you, the other Liberal Lawyer from Illinois who became President told them "If you like your slavery, you can keep your slavery!"
The Ghost amendment that Haunts Lincoln's legacy.
The Republican controlled Congress voted by 2/3rds majority to pass this permanent slavery amendment in both the House and Senate. Lincoln called for its ratification in his first inaugural address.
So no, the fight wasn't about slavery. The Republicans gave that up in March of 1861.
Which they only did because Lincoln ordered an attack against them first.
Bet you didn't know that.
Let us say for the sake of argument that this is correct.
Does this mean they would have had a right to secede for a reason you consider a better reason?
The salient question is "did they have a right to secede, or did they not?"
Let's answer the question as to whether states had a right to secede, then you can explain why they can only exercise this right if you agree with the reason.
Four? Weren't there 11 Confederate states? Since when does 4 speak for 11?
Virginia specifically said they were seceding because the Northern states were engaging in tyrannical suppression of their Southern sister states, and they would not stand by and allow it.
As for the "We are seceding because of slavery", Paul Craig Roberts can give you some insight into why some states were making that claim.
As for me, I think it was all about the 700 million per year in Southern goods traded to the North and Europe. The South didn't need the North, but the North most certainly wanted to control that 700 million in trade, and were not about to allow the South run it's own economy outside of their control.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident.” All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”
I'm going to give you some more knowledge. Try to remember this bit of information.
Article IV, Section 2 of the US constitution *REQUIRES* states to return fugitive slaves.
Get that? It is constitutional law that all states had to return escaped slaves. If a state refused to do it, it was violating the Constitutional law which required it.
The Fugitive slave act did nothing more than add a congressional statute to what was already the law in the United States.
So no bitching about the fugitive slave act. It was already a *REQUIREMENT* of states to return fugitive slaves.
I’m unsure whether you’re questioning why the South rebelled.
I gave you one instance of a Confederate leader, indeed its vice president, who unabashedly justified the rebellion by championing slavery and racial superiority. I can provide a dozen more, often directly from the various states’ articles of secession.
As to states’ rights, I agree with James Madison, “The Father of the Constitution,” who strongly opposed the argument that secession was permitted by the Constitution.
Hey Joe... Remember when you and Robert “KKK” Byrd were best buddies? So much so that you gave a eulogy at his funeral?
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