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Nikki Haley's Civil War Remarks Spark Backlash From Conservatives
Newspeak ^ | December 28, 2023 | Khaleda Rahman

Posted on 12/28/2023 7:26:59 AM PST by Fiji Hill

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley sparked a backlash on social media, including from conservatives, after she was asked about the cause of the Civil War and didn't mention slavery in her answer.

Haley, who served six years as South Carolina's governor and then two years as the ambassador to the United Nations, was asked by a voter during a town hall in Berlin, New Hampshire, on Wednesday to identify the cause of the Civil War.

"I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run," she said. "The freedoms and what people could and couldn't do. What do you think the cause of the Civil War was?"

The man who asked the question replied that he was not the one running for president and wanted to hear her answer.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: civilwar; nikkihaley
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To: DiogenesLamp

What if the Confederates had refrained from shelling Ft. Sumter and allowed it to remain a Union enclave, sort of West Berlin? Would Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Arkansas have remained in the Union? Would there be a CSA today?


101 posted on 12/28/2023 2:32:36 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
What if the Confederates had refrained from shelling Ft. Sumter and allowed it to remain a Union enclave, sort of West Berlin? Would Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Arkansas have remained in the Union? Would there be a CSA today?

I have read articles that this topic was discussed among the cabinet, and they were worried that if the South did nothing, they would be stuck with a useless fortress full of men with everyone wondering why the hell are they garrisoning the place?

They were concerned Lincoln would be made to look the fool and he would not have any leverage to force the South back in.

One might think that this would have allowed the South to remain separate and at peace, but this would be naive. Lincoln also sent a task force to Pensacola to seize Fort Pickens, and the Lieutenant he put in charge of one of his warships did everything he could to start the civil war in Pensacola.

Lincoln needed that war, and the South very much did not need it. The evidence indicates Lincoln was going to successfully provoke a war at some point, regardless of what the South did.

With control of 700 million per year at stake, there was going to be a confrontation.

If the South could have gotten recognition from Britain or France, and used their ships to carry the trade, it would have become unfeasible for Lincoln to stop them from maintaining their independence.

102 posted on 12/28/2023 3:16:46 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: dfwgator

And so far has shown she cant handle it


103 posted on 12/28/2023 3:33:19 PM PST by Jonny7797
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To: DiogenesLamp

By seceding.


104 posted on 12/28/2023 4:11:43 PM PST by JayGalt
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To: packrat35

The Southern economy was based on slavery. There were blacks that owned slaves, there were whites who did not. The bone of contention was that the North’s push to eliminate slavery was a threat to the south’s economy. The correct way would have been to transition so that the southern economy could have adjusted and developed ways of flourishing.
A house divided cannot stand. The North did not make the effort to stand in the South’s shoes. Alienation developed.

Anyone who ignores the economic impact of slavery and the pressures that lead to the war is a tool, like Nimrata who is trying desperately to navigate the political needle rather than reflecting the true, complex nature of the Civil War. Her comments were disgusting, a mishmash of platitudes, a disrespectful confirmation of her belief that Americans are stupid.
She continues to surprise to the downside which I thought was impossible.


105 posted on 12/28/2023 4:20:45 PM PST by JayGalt
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To: DiogenesLamp

“In 1861 Ohio Representative Thomas Corwin proposed an amendment to prevent Congress from interfering with slavery in any state. It would have been the thirteenth amendment to the Constitution. Congress approved it, but eleven southern states seceded from the Union before it could be ratified.”

Sounds like it was proposed after minds had already been made up.


106 posted on 12/28/2023 4:25:40 PM PST by JayGalt
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To: DiogenesLamp

Only Kentucky, Ohio, Rhode Island, Maryland, and Illinois voted for its approval, a far cry from the three fourths of states necessary.


107 posted on 12/28/2023 4:26:57 PM PST by JayGalt
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To: MichaelRDanger
Did Lincoln not run on a platform of no compromise abolition of slavery leaving choice besides accepting economic ruin or war?

Maybe in 1864. He did not in 1860.

108 posted on 12/28/2023 4:58:22 PM PST by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: packrat35

That’s the spirit!


109 posted on 12/28/2023 5:20:52 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Tell It Right

It’s been going on 200 years that we’ve De Facto been handing citizen out like candy to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

Can we please get over our national Dred Scott shame?


110 posted on 12/28/2023 5:23:30 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Had Lincoln not sent those ships, the war would not have started there at that time and on that date.”

A true statement IMO. The war would have started when Bragg received orders from Davis to take Fort Pickens by force at Pensacola.


111 posted on 12/28/2023 6:56:46 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Lincoln also sent a task force to Pensacola to seize Fort Pickens.”

Lincoln didn’t have to do that. Fort Pickens was already manned and equipped by Federal Troops. The issue was would Lincoln expend the forces necessary to defend Fort Pickens from an assault by Bragg’s forces.


112 posted on 12/28/2023 7:02:37 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: JayGalt
By seceding.

Why should that cause a war? The first 7 did it in 1860, yet war didn't start until April of 1861.

Does not the Declaration of Independence say that people have a right to independence?

113 posted on 12/28/2023 7:31:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: JayGalt
Sounds like it was proposed after minds had already been made up.

The salient point is that the Northern dominated congress, controlled by Republicans voted for this permanent slavery amendment by a 2/3rds majority.

What this demonstrates is that the North and the Union did not care about the issue of slavery.

They did not invade the South to interfere with slavery, they only wanted to stop the South from having the Independence to manage their own economic affairs.

114 posted on 12/28/2023 7:34:20 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: JayGalt
Only Kentucky, Ohio, Rhode Island, Maryland, and Illinois voted for its approval, a far cry from the three fourths of states necessary.

You are researching this so that you can make excuses for why the North offered it. You didn't do enough research. William Seward, who was former governor of New York, and was one of it's Senators when Lincoln took office, and who was also the chief proponent of the Corwin Amendment in the Senate, Promised that he could get New York to ratify this amendment. With New York ratifying it, many of the satellite states that relied on New York for trade and revenue would have also passed it.

New York pretty much controlled everything from the Great Lakes bordering states. That it would pass was a forgone conclusion, *IF* war had not overtaken the amendment rendering it moot.

The issue here is that the Corwin amendment proves that the war was not about slavery. Certainly not on the side of the North. It was only about Southern states becoming independent from Washington DC.

115 posted on 12/28/2023 7:39:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
A true statement IMO. The war would have started when Bragg received orders from Davis to take Fort Pickens by force at Pensacola.

That's as good a guess as any, though Lieutenant Porter seemingly did his best to start a war as soon as he arrived, and were it not for the interdiction of Captain Meigs, he likely would have succeeded.

116 posted on 12/28/2023 7:43:20 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Yes, they walked in unopposed. He still sent the force to grab that fort.

This is where Union troops fired at locals coming to see what was going on. Some count it as the first shots of the Civil War.

117 posted on 12/28/2023 7:44:57 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Fiji Hill

It’s a gotcha interaction... BORING.


118 posted on 12/28/2023 7:46:28 PM PST by freepersup (“Those who conceal crimes are preparing to commit new ones.” ~Vuk Draskovic~)
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To: Fiji Hill

It started based on “States Rights 10th Amendment and Slavery followed right behind. As far as I’m concerned the south should have won to preserve “States Rights” As for Slavery the north Rightly won.

Too bad we couldn’t have both. Since then the feds have taken away so many of our rights it seems the 10th doesn’t even matter anymore. It Sucks!


119 posted on 12/28/2023 7:52:33 PM PST by The Mayor (Dear God, please restore me and make my world new.)
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To: Bull Snipe; FLT-bird; jeffersondem; rustbucket; Pelham; PeaRidge; x
And since i've attracted your attention, I was told today that Ulysses Grant said that any of the original 13 states did have the right to secede, but they didn't have a right to take any of the Louisiana purchase with them. I asked for a source for that quote, and he sent me a link.

https://www.amazon.com/Grant-Ron-Chernow/dp/159420487X

Have you ever heard such a statement from Grant? Might as well ping some others on this point.

120 posted on 12/28/2023 8:01:05 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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