Turley: January 6 Wasn’t Insurrection or Rebellion — 14th Amendment Doesn’t Apply

Breitbart ^ | 12/22/2023 | Jeff Poor

[ChicagoConservative27]

Thursday on FNC’s “The Story,” network contributor Jonathan Turley questioned the merits of the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision to bar former President Donald Trump from the 2024 primary election ballot.

According to Turley, the 14th Amendment didn’t apply because January 6 was a riot, not an insurrection.

“It’s nonsense,” he said. “I mean, first of all, there’s really interesting analogies to go to Bush v. Gore, you know, a little over 20 years ago, they had another 4-3 decision by another state Supreme Court. And what the court did is they were uncomfortable with the ambiguous standards being used by Florida. This is even more so. When I read the 14th Amendment, I see the words insurrection or rebellion. This was neither. This was a riot. Most people in the public can see it that way. But it’s also not clear that this applies to the office of the presidency. They go through and they enumerate offices that notably does not include the presidency. So there’s a number of elements here that could result in this being overturned, as I expected, will be.”

[ansel12]

They can forget about this to the extent that no one even remembers it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests

Yet pretend that the little demonstration turned mini-riot on Jan 6 was the biggest thing since the Civil War.

[Tell It Right]

The 14th Amendment's insurrection clause is no longer an issue anyway. The 14th Amendment specifically gave Congress the authority to nullify the insurrection clause later with a supermajority, which Congress did with the 1872 Amnesty Act.

Using the 14th Amendment's insurrection clause against Trump is the equivalent of trying to today using the 18th Amendment to put someone in prison for selling liquor, even though we all know the 18th was repealed by the 21st Amendment.

To see more details from some of us FReepers discussing this, check out https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4204696/posts?page=115#106.

[frog in a pot]

but the democrat planned January 6 Was Insurrection

What just happened in Colorado's Supreme Court is an example of what happened in key state courthouses prior to the election.

Most certainly the dem action on Jan6 was ONLY A PART OF an insurrection that started with the wide-scale election corruption.

What happened on the streets on Jan6 was a riot over the obvious insurrection.

[Impala64ssa]

does AOC still thinks she was murdered?

[gloryblaze]

Some are saying that amnesty referred strictly to the Civil War actors.

https://heritagelib.org/amnesty-act-of-1872

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

Speaking of Jan.6th, just what the hell is this?

"Oath and Honor: A Memoir and a Warning by Liz Cheney. A gripping first-hand account of the January 6th, 2021, insurrection from inside the halls of Congress, from origins to aftermath, as Donald Trump and his enablers betrayed the American people and the Constitution—by the House Republican leader who dared to stand up to it."

What is this broads mental malfunction? Did Trump tell her she has a fat ass or something?

This goes beyond TDS, this is fullblown straight jacket delusional insanity. Before even opening the book, the books description is utter BS!

If a public figure like Rudy Giuliani can be sued to the point of bankruptcy, they why can't Trump sue idiots like this? Trump led an insurrection? Prove it bitch.

Meanwhile the REAL insurrection - the Russia collusion hoax - is COMPLETELY IGNORED!!!!!

[Thapsus_epiphany]

Good point, well said.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

This was neither. This was a riot.

It was neither a riot as well. It was a guided tour by capital police while the FBI and Antifa attacked cops outside while first making sure it was caught all on video.

[blackdog]

I had not heard the word used for 60 years. Then in one day, wordsmiths were writing it inside my eyelids and harping it on a loop in my ears.

J6 was a planned counterintelligence operation orchestrated by our own government. Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff were becoming Junior G-Men acting as CIA agents. The Judiciary doesn't have the stomach to allow discovery in anything election related. Very sad and terminal for our liberties.

[RideForever]

the founder of the proud boys when they convicted him falsely of “seditious conspiracy”, but was acquitted of that charge and convicted of lesser charges but still given 22 years in prison

And his attorney was also charged and convicted, and recently moved to mental institution and placed in isolation for 30 days.

[cymbeline]

“The 14th Amendment specifically gave Congress the authority to nullify the insurrection clause later with a supermajority, which Congress did with the 1872 Amnesty Act.”

Wow! That seems important to the Colorado Supreme Court decision.

[frog in a pot]

Meanwhile the REAL insurrection - the Russia collusion hoax - is COMPLETELY IGNORED!!!!!

A point that underscores there were concurrent, "flood the zone" insurrection attempts in play. One of the agencies has the clearest outline of the players and events, and there are quite a few American patriots who know which agency that is.

[Bob434]

So unbelievable- I hadn’t seen that his lawyer was also tried and moved to institute- what scum the left are!

[brownsfan]

It does if the Dems and their media allies say it does.

The public is far too stupid and uninterested to put up a fuss.

[gloryblaze]

... his attorney was also charged and convicted, and recently moved to mental institution and placed in isolation for 30 days.

Do you have a link for that story?

[antidemoncrat]

Since it now appears the Judicial Branch now controls the Legislative and Executive Branch, whatever they say goes.

[Redmen4ever]

correctomundo

the conviction was based on conversations before and after the J6 event, not based on actions at the J6 event

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach

[Savage Beast]

Of course it wasn't. Anybody with a functioning brain knows that. The honest acknowledge it.

The protest was dubbed a "riot", "insurrection", and "rebellion" by Democrat Party operatives and their propaganda. These words were dutifully parrotted by their propaganda machine, aka the Newsmedia, and picked up by the intellectually and morally lazy.

Do not use these words.

It was a peaceful protest. The Constitution recognizes the right of the People to peaceably assemble as a fundamental, inalienable right, granted by God. That's exactly what these US citizens did on January 6.

[kvanbrunt2]

also this

Ed Meese has some analysis on 14:3 and claims it was repealed by two legislative acts.

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove
such a disability.10
The last sentence in Section 3 giving Congress the authority to
“remove” the disability imposed by the amendment is unique. While seven
amendments have language giving Congress the “power to enforce” each
amendment “by appropriate legislation,” only the Fourteenth Amendment
has language giving Congress the power to specifically void the provisions

https://www.heritage.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/LM301.pdf

Amnesty Acts of 1872 and 1898. Four years after the Fourteenth
Amendment’s ratification, Congress exercised its power under Section 3
and passed the Amnesty Act of 1872 with the required two-thirds vote in
each House.15 The Act provided

[Chewbarkah]

“Some are saying that amnesty referred strictly to the Civil War actors.”

“Some” = people who can read and have common sense. The 1872 Amnesty Act applied to actions taken during the Civil War; even the stretchiest interpretation could not extend it to actions after the date of the amnesty act itself (1872).

For it to cover actions subsequent to 1872 would be to make rebellion/insurrection a free shot; if a rebellion fails, participants could just take the oath and receive amnesty. No way does this apply to the 2020 election or J6.