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Renewables’ growing price advantage over fossil fuels paves way for industry dominance
The Hill ^ | December 10, 2023 | Saul Elbe

Posted on 12/14/2023 1:00:13 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

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Here's my humorous post of the day. Or maybe it's the "steaming crock of shee-it" post of the day.

The people who do these studies and write these articles are absolute idiots. The cost of the windmill alone or the solar cells alone is almost irrelevant. It's the TOTAL SYSTEM COST and the 30 year levelized cost of electricity that are important. These studies conveniently ignore everything needed to make a RELIABLE system with high capacity factor that can produce economical energy 24x7. None of these "renewable" pie-in-the-sky dreams can do that.

These idiots always ignore the simple fact that it is dark at night and there are many days in a row of "wind drought." You need BACKUP systems to get you through those periods, the ONLY utility-scale backup system is pumped hydro, and it's next to impossible to find a practical, new pumped hydro site or get it permitted.

The fact is that renewables require that you build a SECOND parallel power plant, either storage (pumped hydro or batteries [that do not exist]) or natural gas fired simple cycle (i.e., not a combined cycle).

When you look at all these system level costs, renewables are a big loser.

The article does point out (to its credit) that this entire renewables juggernaut is solely because of government, not market forces. Just like EVs piling up in dealer lots because the market does not want them.

"The country is passing a 'tipping point' beyond which renewables are the status quo option" -- Timothy Lenton, chair of the climate department at the University of Exeter.

The only reason there is a 'tipping point' is government interference in markets trying to solve a non-problem and thereby creating many more problems.

Unfortunately, consumers can reject EVs and buy conventional ICE cars. You cannot do that with power. You cannot reject a renewables energy company and buy from a conventional energy company. You are captive to the government that requires all energy companies to have major renewables programs.

1 posted on 12/14/2023 1:00:13 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

LOL! Take away the massive subsidies and see how much of a price advantage they have.

BTW, those subsidies are not scalable to anything like the market shares some are predicting for so-called “renewables”.


2 posted on 12/14/2023 1:01:55 PM PST by FLT-bird
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

That does it for me, ALL Public Buildings shall use 100% renewable energy and shall be free of fossil fuels.


3 posted on 12/14/2023 1:02:14 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The solar and wind turbine reliability is in serious doubt because of the growing use of geo-engineering aerosol spraying to block the sun to combat global warming. The spraying not only affects the solar but the wind turbines also.


4 posted on 12/14/2023 1:03:20 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: eyeamok

And so shall all public employees.


5 posted on 12/14/2023 1:03:51 PM PST by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.”

Hussein


6 posted on 12/14/2023 1:04:08 PM PST by fretzer
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To: eyeamok

And, any new building that is built must be built using equipment that runs on renewable energy, and using recycled or renewable materials.


7 posted on 12/14/2023 1:04:13 PM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Subsidize the hell out of “renewables” while taxing/regulating the hell out of anything in the existing infrastructure...

So yeah... steaming crock-o-shite is exactly it.


8 posted on 12/14/2023 1:04:34 PM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

9 posted on 12/14/2023 1:04:39 PM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: FLT-bird

If true, investors would be in line. They ain’t.


10 posted on 12/14/2023 1:04:44 PM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: eyeamok

More BS from the BS factory that is The Hill.


11 posted on 12/14/2023 1:06:02 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Serious countries don’t use energy toys to power their economies.


12 posted on 12/14/2023 1:08:12 PM PST by kiryandil (The Biden: "for as long as we can")
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To: FLT-bird
All true!

The fact is that renewables require that you build a SECOND parallel power plant (base load)

Also true. The warmista nutballs always leave this out. The USA has centuries worth of coal reserves to burn ultra-cleanly. Coal is my favorite for making electricity.

13 posted on 12/14/2023 1:08:41 PM PST by dennisw (Be positive. Every day is another day.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I was skeptical of the amount of bullshirt that was being emitted by this article. I am glad you posted some logic that invalidates the fecal material being spewed by this author.


14 posted on 12/14/2023 1:09:30 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Nope, nope and more nope....
Pure, unadulterated communist propaganda BS.
BTW, FJB and his merry band of queer flying monkeys.....


15 posted on 12/14/2023 1:09:39 PM PST by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created...")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Cold Dark Nights.

That’s the Achilles Heel of intermittent wind and solar. Without a fully duplicative on-demand electricity source like Natural Gas, Coal, Nuclear or Hydro, you HAVE TO HAVE BOTH INTERMITTENT RENEWABLES AND ON-DEMAND.

So, the capital and maintenance costs are roughly DOUBLED because of the intermittent wind and sun.

Talk about an obvious boondoggle.


16 posted on 12/14/2023 1:10:05 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (islam is a totalitarian death cult founded by a child rapist.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Total B,.S.


17 posted on 12/14/2023 1:10:31 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Noumenon

Let John Kerry go first.


18 posted on 12/14/2023 1:10:46 PM PST by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Oil is still king.

And in 2023, the United States will produce more oil in one year than any country in the history of the world.


19 posted on 12/14/2023 1:11:36 PM PST by Round Earther
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Renewables are reaching the point where they are outcompeting fossil fuels on price ...”

Total and utter bull-Obamastuff.

Always remember that journalists are the folks that couldn’t pass even the most simple of STEM, or economics, courses.


20 posted on 12/14/2023 1:12:30 PM PST by Da Coyote
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