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As the war grinds on, Ukraine needs more troops. Not everyone is ready to enlist
CNN ^ | November 19, 2023 | Maria Kostenko, Daria Tarasova-Markina, Yulia Kesaieva, Olga Voitivych, Svitlana Vlasova and Victori

Posted on 11/30/2023 6:13:10 AM PST by McGruff

On the global stage, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been consistently on message: In visits to Washington and other Western capitals, he has focused on keeping Kyiv supplied with more advanced arms, ammunition and financing.

At home, however, he faces a human resources problem. The war is approaching the end of its second year, and Ukraine’s military needs more manpower to sustain a bloody war of attrition against Russia, a country with more than three times the population of Ukraine.

In a recent essay, Ukraine’s top military commander, Valery Zaluzhny acknowledged that training and recruiting troops was becoming a serious challenge.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: cestarire; dariatarasovamarkina; itistolaugh; mariakostenko; olgavoitivych; svitlanavlasova; yuliakesaieva
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1 posted on 11/30/2023 6:13:10 AM PST by McGruff
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The average age in some newer units is now over 50

Video
Grim older Ukrainian soldiers at rally before they depart
Nov 2023
https://rumble.com/v3wxbf3-grim-older-ukrainian-soldiers-at-rally-before-they-depart.html


2 posted on 11/30/2023 6:15:00 AM PST by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: McGruff

FJB/Soros are willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian life.


3 posted on 11/30/2023 6:15:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: McGruff

Next they’ll be asking for NATO troops along with NATO weapons and NATO cash...


4 posted on 11/30/2023 6:17:50 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: McGruff

When you watch the expressions on the faces of that group of old men you know that they are not happy to be there. Their only positive thought is maybe realizing that they won’t experience the indignities of dying of disease and old age.


5 posted on 11/30/2023 6:18:57 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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At that age, they don’t have the naïveté that their leaders can use to psyche them up to get them all “gung ho” to go off to war. They are all old enough to know exactly what they’re up against which makes it worse. No amount of money is going to fix that morale problem.


6 posted on 11/30/2023 6:29:48 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: McGruff

That is criminal. Sheep to the slaughter.


7 posted on 11/30/2023 6:35:58 AM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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If everyone already had guns at home, Russians would have been shot at, a lot more.


8 posted on 11/30/2023 6:39:35 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: McGruff

“You’re outnumbered, Aragorn. You need more men.”
“There are none.”
“There are those ... who dwell ... in the mountain ...”


9 posted on 11/30/2023 6:40:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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It’s clear that Russia’s aim over the last year has been to grind down the manpower of Ukraine. The plan proceeds apace.


10 posted on 11/30/2023 6:50:37 AM PST by glorgau
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It has been said that war is not for old men, and I believe it. It is why they recruit 18-35 year old men into the military (That is, when things aren’t dire enough where they have to accept any warm body they can lay their hands on)

When you are young, you believe it won’t happen to you. You are young and invincible, so you are ready to go. I have heard it said by men who have been in combat, that when when you are in combat long enough, to cope and not go crazy, you HAVE to accept it WILL happen to you. Or more to the point, “Assume you are already dead” is a common mindset, apparently)

However, when you are old enough, you become absolutely certain it will happen to you. Older men cannot handle the constant physical and mental stress. In WWII, when the real fighting began, they had to flush a lot of the career military officers out of the combat billets because they simply didn’t have the stamina to keep up, and the strains of leadership became evident. Between 1941 and early 1944, this became evident. They had to relieve many 50-60 year old officers due to the destabilizing toll it took on them, and replace them with younger officers.

Admiral Ghormley who oversaw the opening of the Guadalcanal Campaign was a good example. By all accounts, he was an excellent officer, but he was one of the people in which the constant strain took its toll and disabled his ability to lead. Granted, he was replaced by Admiral Halsey, who was a year older than Ghormley, but his constitution was quite different.

But even Halsey, who was the right person at that time in 1942, began making mistakes in judgement in 1944-45 that resulted in the deaths of thousands of men and extensive damage to the Fleet (Typhoon Cobra and Typhoon Connie) and to many, it was clear that it was the long strain of command. But everyone is different.

It is definitely a dichotomy, and always has been, that old men send young men off to fight and die.

I feel bad for those men. I really do. Their faces tell it all.


11 posted on 11/30/2023 6:52:09 AM PST by rlmorel ("The stigma for being wrong is gone, as long as you're wrong for the right side." (Clarice Feldman))
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This was a good quote from one guy who didn't want to go:

It turns out that no one adheres to the law, but everyone talks about obligations.

Sounds exactly like Washington DC

12 posted on 11/30/2023 6:59:34 AM PST by PGR88
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To: McGruff

Paging Sean Penn.


13 posted on 11/30/2023 7:05:41 AM PST by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: janetjanet998

What’s next...70-year olds? Ukraine will soon be unpopulated.


14 posted on 11/30/2023 7:21:48 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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Next they’ll be asking for NATO troops along with NATO weapons and NATO cash...
Given Russia's strategic goals include half of Romania and Poland, NATO involvement will be inevitable, if Ukraine falls.
15 posted on 11/30/2023 7:22:56 AM PST by jdege
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To: McGruff
Noticing that a certain group of commenters are not evident on threads like these....
16 posted on 11/30/2023 7:26:06 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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Putin claimed that the invasion was necessary because of NATO expansion. What proof does he have of any aggression towards Russia

Poland, Latvia, Lithuania band Estonia have been on Russias border for some time and the number of invasions by them or NATO is how many?

In contrast most of Europe has been demilitarizing, just ask Trump and freely trading and enriching Russia (well for some)

This comes down to putins dreams of a greater Russia or Soviet Union 2.0, he has spoke and written extensively on that topic and the fact that Ukraine and Ukrainians don’t actually exist

Land and resources and his ego are the reason for the war

Ukranians are defending their land, lives and culture, the fact that some don’t want to is not unlike the US, vast minority choose to serve.


17 posted on 11/30/2023 7:32:24 AM PST by blitz128
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Next they’ll be asking for NATO troops along with NATO weapons and NATO cash...

I hope not because if Biden makes that move it will almost certainly lead to nuclear war IMO

18 posted on 11/30/2023 8:07:17 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Ukraine is going to need men to repopulate the country after war is over, and they need men now to fight.

Hmmmm...how about sending them our illegal immigrants?


19 posted on 11/30/2023 8:20:46 AM PST by FreedomForce
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Ukraine is going to need men to repopulate the country after war is over, and they need men now to fight.

Hmmmm...how about sending them our illegal immigrants?

If my email spam folder is any indication, Ukrainian women won't have any problems attracting men.

However,


20 posted on 11/30/2023 8:42:24 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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